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jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
i like the thread
Merari (Merari)
:hearts:
Siouxsie Sioux
We know but we still love you
Merari (Merari)
I am a dumb
Siouxsie Sioux
Since he posted it
Merari (Merari)
Oooh
Siouxsie Sioux
He can delete his own thread
Merari (Merari)
He demodded everyone including himself
Siouxsie Sioux
Why do you care so much if he deletes
Merari (Merari)
Sloth he can't
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646 delete. Thread.
Siouxsie Sioux
Sody dislikes all of us to varying degrees
Siouxsie Sioux
@phedre mod me first
Merari (Merari)
Who does Sody like the most. We could ask him nicely :hugging_face:
dubteedub (dub)
^
Sloth On Meth
I just want that thread gone
Merari (Merari)
It must be. 78 comments on the only thread but only a handful are showing. No new being added that I can see
dubteedub (dub)
idk, im banned so I cant check :laughing:
n8 (n8)
at least I think automod is filtering everything. it still looked like it was before I got removed, but either way, w/e
Merari (Merari)
I was worried it would fill up with troll shite
Merari (Merari)
Aaah. Ok, that's good then
n8 (n8)
and even if it's not...why?
n8 (n8)
why? automod is filtering everything already.
Merari (Merari)
We could ask admins to shut down the sub in the meantime?
phedre (phedre)
Yep. Will still take time.
Merari (Merari)
Thank you @phedre :slightly_smiling_face:
Merari (Merari)
Has anyone already reddit requested it?
Merari (Merari)
Now no-one can remove that thread
phedre (phedre)
No messages yet.
Merari (Merari)
Good grief, that's not an admin action, that's shane
phedre (phedre)
I put mine in.
TheGoldMustache
It’s completely unmoderated
Merari (Merari)
I can still access it. But the list of moderators is gone
Merari (Merari)
has it been banned?
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
do one of those "I want to make it into a community about banning OUTs [pick from list]"
TheGoldMustache
I’d assume an admin would prevent it
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
no way it'd be allowed
Sloth On Meth
Try it
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
manual
TheGoldMustache
Is it automatic?
TheGoldMustache
I doubt a request would actually work
phedre (phedre)
I’m at 29 days. I’ll try.
Sloth On Meth
I cant
Sloth On Meth
@TheGoldMustache you do it
TheGoldMustache
Request it and turn it into a completely different sub
Sloth On Meth
@phedre rr it plz
Sloth On Meth
But also within 30 days
Sloth On Meth
Already did
n8 (n8)
I already tried, but I have an rr from 8 days ago
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
.../s
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
now the question is, who wants to redditrequest it
Sloth On Meth
You fucking dingus
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
nice fucking job having that sidebar left there forever now with your name under it
Sloth On Meth
Job
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646 did the admins intervene cus if so good fucking jov
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
but tbh they'd ban it
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
hilarious if the admins did
TheGoldMustache
Or maybe Shane removed himself
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
I like how the list was edited to now just be drama and t_d
TheGoldMustache
I assume the admins did it
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
nice
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
oh huh it's unmoderated now
TheGoldMustache
And it now shows no mods
TheGoldMustache
I just got removed four minutes ago
TheGoldMustache
Everyone was removed as a mod?
phedre (phedre)
That isn’t a dm slack leak. It’s a paraphrased conversation with a former member of dm slack.
jackson1442
this is an actual job for them- 9-5, and sody definitely has things to do _other than_ managing this issue
dubteedub (dub)
in either my comment here or on reddit
jackson1442
there are certainly more pressing issues for them right now
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
busy = ignoring reports?
dubteedub (dub)
Its not word for word
jackson1442
you work with them— i’m sure they’re busy
jackson1442
you don’t go around pushing their buttons
jackson1442
if you want the admins to change shit
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
I wouldn't say that's directly leaking, maybe don't quote it word for word though
jackson1442
so
jackson1442
ok
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
you are leaking
dubteedub (dub)
im not leaking anything, I'm allowed to discuss a conversation we had
dubteedub (dub)
the context was "of all the subs, that is the one you care about the most?" you "well they are the ones I was directly affected by, the others not so much" "the white supremacy subs and rape subs like TRP?" you "im not directly affected by white supremacists and rapists"
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
from the dm slack you arent supposed to leak
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
taken completely out of context
dubteedub (dub)
those were literally your words m8
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
maybe dont leak a private chat, the dm slack even, to make me look like a white supremacist rapist? jesus
dubteedub (dub)
I didn't leak shit, I paraphrased you
dubteedub (dub)
lamo
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
what are you celebrating, nothing was done
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I just demodded. Thanks for fucking this up @ShaneH7646
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
leaking the default mod slack is dumb
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
dubteedub (dub)
dubteedub (dub)
yes, he is a teenager
dubteedub (dub)
this
Merari (Merari)
Thank you
Merari (Merari)
Or give someone perms so they can demod her. So help me, if you make her situation worse
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
She's suffered enough. Believe me, I know
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Belle is bae
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
^^
Merari (Merari)
If anything happens to her account because of you
Merari (Merari)
@ShaneH7646 for the love of god demod BelleAriel. She is on holiday. She can't demod herself. You are endangering a good, kind woman because you are too stubborn to listen to advice
Merari (Merari)
Saydie, Cherry, you should too
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Look. We have an idiot in charge of this project. It could have worked. @ShaneH7646 are you fifteen? This isn't piggifs
Merari (Merari)
I demodded as well
phedre (phedre)
idgaf. I’m demodded. Suggest the rest of you do the same before the admin hammer falls.
Merari (Merari)
By opening again the trolls win
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Bb
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Ilu2
phedre (phedre)
ilu cherry
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Lol. This is why @phedre is my internet girlfriend
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Yup. Admins cant claim we had nothing to do about it publicly and hence why sody reached out. You were starting to gain momentum on reddit and on media.
phedre (phedre)
So suck my left tit, gallownoob!
saydie (maybesaydie)
I'm done. Let me know if something else happens but I'm not risking my account for this nonsense
phedre (phedre)
I gave n8 full credit at the top of the post.
n8 (n8)
I can't post my own drama to SRD
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Belle is sadly unfortunately fucked. Me and msobelle also have subs dedicated to harassing us. It's reddit life. The admins won't do anything
Merari (Merari)
You are killing yourself here
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
LMAO @phedre gone and gallowboob’d your ass @phedre But really, awesome writeup.
Merari (Merari)
Shane you idiot, that message was crystal clear and Bardfinn explained exactly why you wouldn't be getting a reply
saydie (maybesaydie)
@(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream And we lose all of that if the sub's open.
saydie (maybesaydie)
I've reported people harassing Belle and been ignored. It sucks
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Exactly. I loved the hate sub meltdown. We were gaining momentum. There were conspiracy theories popping up all over the the place
Merari (Merari)
If people could comb that sub for posts about Belle (Evey) and report these to admins, explaining that this sub exists to harass her and that the other links are just there to hide this fact, that would be a great help
saydie (maybesaydie)
No one has permissions
saydie (maybesaydie)
The smart thing to do now is keep the sub private and empty and to let the hate subs wonder if we actually did this. By opening it again we lose all of the troll value. We are never going to make the admins do anything. But we can make reddit think we did.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
There's a right way and a wrong to go about this
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
This saydie
saydie (maybesaydie)
The message from sody was a warning. I can't make it plainer than that.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Everyone quit casuse you screwed the pooch
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
the momentum stopped yesterday when everyone quit?
TheGoldMustache
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Hand it off to someone who knows what they're doing
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Shane you're fucking this up. We had momentum. The idiots were melting down.
dubteedub (dub)
I hope he does get suspended
dubteedub (dub)
yeah, no shit
saydie (maybesaydie)
Shane they're going to suspend your accunt. The modmail in which you muted sody twice was a warning.
TheGoldMustache
Shane why should you do this
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Fuck, that's a good point dub.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I feel bell. There's a sub about me. Msobelle has one too
dubteedub (dub)
does belle want more people to see that sub and potential doxx or whatever else is on there?
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
I've reported them, Belle has reported them, Deva, etc
dubteedub (dub)
right, but no one will know that because there is no explanation given
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
They even openly use her real name.
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Yeah, it's a whole sub dedicated to harassment of belleariel
Merari (Merari)
It's about harassing someone
dubteedub (dub)
if Shane includes them on a shortlist of that sub and /r/drama it is just giving them more attention and makes it seem like a joke
dubteedub (dub)
@Quietus42 ive never heard of that sub before, most people will see the name and think it is about people with gold -> /r/lounge or whatever
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I'll try not to. It's getting crazy out there. My cousin lost his house.
WorseThanHipster
dont
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I'm about to die in a hurricaine I can say whatever I want
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Shut up hippie
WorseThanHipster
I’m not that much of a hippy. I like punk rock.
WorseThanHipster
I’m not leaving because I like to watch chaos.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
We're aware of it Quietus
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Seriously, go look
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Because of mistakes she made years ago
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
It's literally an entire sub openly dedicated to stalking belle with dozens of alts, all across Reddit.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I'll butter your toast you damned hippie.
WorseThanHipster
I want to thank everyone here for all the butter.
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
I don't care about the risk either. Go look at r/loungers
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Idc about the risk. Fuck it. It's the cluster fuck
Siouxsie Sioux
Not worth the risk imo
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Nah I'm out
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
r/relationships wants in
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Heh welcome to Reddit
Siouxsie Sioux
I left
Siouxsie Sioux
@Sloth On Meth just leave the sub
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Fuck the admins
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
We have so much support right now
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
fuck the admins
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Well you know what? We can't get the admins to listen anyways. I reported a sub that's dedicated to stalking doxxing and harassing Belle and you know what the admin response was? Fucking nothing
WorseThanHipster
i mean it's not like we can shut the sub down ourselves so i doubt we'll get userbanned as long as you're not taking part in the shenanigans
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
this isn't how you get the admins to listen to you
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
for about 10 minutes anyway, then realized how stupid it was
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646 this is how you get people to spam the admins
Sloth On Meth
and then it went south
Sloth On Meth
lmao
Sloth On Meth
i was just joking
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
I played a heavy part in that and hugely regret it
Sloth On Meth
like
Sloth On Meth
HARD
Sloth On Meth
then it got outta hand
Sloth On Meth
i started that
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
remember that
Sloth On Meth
yes
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
this is like that fucking april fools blackout
Sloth On Meth
/ banned shane
Sloth On Meth
they couldve shut the subreddit down
Sloth On Meth
this is how you get banned because they asked us nicely
Sloth On Meth
no. this is not the way
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Isn't that what we want though?
Sloth On Meth
how well do you think that's going to work
Sloth On Meth
throwing a hissy fit to get the admins to talk to you?
Sloth On Meth
seriously
Sloth On Meth
shit
Sloth On Meth
fucking
Sloth On Meth
this
Sloth On Meth
stop
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
can't believe I decided to mod it at one point this is going to achieve nothing
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
lol I know it's a joke at this point
Sloth On Meth
this is going to cause us so much shit
Sloth On Meth
sub
Sloth On Meth
fucking
Sloth On Meth
the
Sloth On Meth
close
Sloth On Meth
this guy opened it up again
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
theres not much working with going on
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
they have litterally ignored reports and the questions we had
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
how will keeping it open make anything better?
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
why not just work with the admins
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
this is absolutely fucking stupid
phedre (phedre)
...
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
phedre (phedre)
I doubt he gives a fuck about it.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
The day an admin will give you shit because you muted him is the day reddit will combust in flames.
Merari (Merari)
Sody isn't mad. Sub should shut down. We were told to stop. Bad idea to go against the directives of the people who literally own your account.
n8 (n8)
I think we're mostly done. idk if shane has anything he wants to do or not.
NYLaw (NYLaw)
What are the plans for the sub, though?
NYLaw (NYLaw)
In modmail
NYLaw (NYLaw)
I was referencing the conversation I missed
n8 (n8)
then what's he mad about?
NYLaw (NYLaw)
He's not mad about his inbox Shane
Merari (Merari)
Of course he isn't. He's an admin
n8 (n8)
we kept responding to the modmail. I don't think he'd really be all that mad about that, though.
Merari (Merari)
What is with his inbox?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I swear if he's mad about his inbox...
n8 (n8)
or do you just mean that modmail from earlier?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
What
n8 (n8)
his inbox?
n8 (n8)
what's sody mad about?
NYLaw (NYLaw)
Maybe someone tagged me in private channels
NYLaw (NYLaw)
So weird
NYLaw (NYLaw)
I did, nothing pops up
phedre (phedre)
Check the activity link.
NYLaw (NYLaw)
Did someone DM me?
NYLaw (NYLaw)
Hmm why am I tagged with two notifications but have no messages
WorseThanHipster
caballin shot callin
NYLaw (NYLaw)
I was just cabaled in and enjoying the show
NYLaw (NYLaw)
Time to see if I get booted as a mod, I guess.
NYLaw (NYLaw)
I just caught up on it
phedre (phedre)
Or did you just catch up on the convo?
phedre (phedre)
What’s going on? Something specific?
NYLaw (NYLaw)
Sody ain't too happy
NYLaw (NYLaw)
So uhh
n8 (n8)
I took a screenshot.
n8 (n8)
the modmail sody sent us.
TheGoldMustache
Blurring names for what?
dubteedub (dub)
R/masstagger
Sloth On Meth
@dubteedub how'd you get those cringanarch ytags
n8 (n8)
no, I"ll blur it too.
saydie (maybesaydie)
I hope it's not too latr to get my name blurred
TheGoldMustache
He’s a true sub collector, he legitimately does no moderation on any of the subs
TheGoldMustache
He modded me to gatekeeping and Nicegirls
TheGoldMustache
Stuffed02 saw I was an active mod so
TheGoldMustache
I was added as a mod to DeepFriedMemes (by the top mod, not stuffed02)
TheGoldMustache
Yeah stuffed02 added me to two of his subs
n8 (n8)
you got added to a bunch of stuffed02 subs with a quickness though
n8 (n8)
I saw your comment about getting kicked from justiceserved
TheGoldMustache
If it helps to prove I’m not an alt, I became a mod of r/JusticeServed like 8 months ago. I slowly worked my way up to getting more subs from that
Merari (Merari)
We used to think Bob was an alt too, remember
dubteedub (dub)
hmm, weird :shrug:
TheGoldMustache
You can also see my top comments date back further than that
TheGoldMustache
I was one of the top joiners during circleoftrust, and I made a ton of comments then
TheGoldMustache
Yes it does, I just have enough comments that reddit doesn’t record it
dubteedub (dub)
and youve only been an earthporn mod for 2 months
dubteedub (dub)
before that its like a dozen or two posts on some random subs
dubteedub (dub)
but your comment history doesnt start until 5 months ago
TheGoldMustache
DeepFriedMemes requires stickies removal comments, which takes up a ton of my history
dubteedub (dub)
I dont think you are Shane
TheGoldMustache
I’ve been accused of being so many peoples Alts. First I was told I seem like the alt of some EarthPorn mod, now Shane
TheGoldMustache
Check my top comments
TheGoldMustache
That’s mainly from DeepFriedMemes
dubteedub (dub)
sorry, not no posts, but your /u/ is like all toolbox removal comments
TheGoldMustache
I have posts
TheGoldMustache
Also what do you mean about my post history?
TheGoldMustache
That was from the discord voice chat
dubteedub (dub)
that and this along with @ShaneH7646
TheGoldMustache
What?
dubteedub (dub)
because you have no posting history other than toolbox extensions
TheGoldMustache
Why does everyone assume I’m an alt?
dubteedub (dub)
@TheGoldMustache whose alt are you?
dubteedub (dub)
listening to woodhouse is always a mistake
Sloth On Meth
Just for your own sake
Sloth On Meth
@TheGoldMustache
Sloth On Meth
Don't leak dm slack
Sloth On Meth
@TheGoldMustache remove
TheGoldMustache
It was a bad decision on my part
TheGoldMustache
It was. People in the DM chat suggested it
dubteedub (dub)
as well as LSC and FC
dubteedub (dub)
dubteedub (dub)
@TheGoldMustache looks like you were the one that added LoL to the list
Merari (Merari)
I like that one actually. That is bad for that looney and his fake news thing
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Heh
dubteedub (dub)
>We would like to thank @HowleyReports for fully funding this liberal project. Pat is a good friend of mine who thought if we made big drama his article would go viral. Here is a relevant pig gif - Shane *Cringe*
Merari (Merari)
I did take off LSC
Merari (Merari)
I really don't think I added pewdiepie
dubteedub (dub)
dubteedub (dub)
it looks like you and Shane were the most recent edits
Merari (Merari)
Where are you seeing this? In mod logs I only see that I revised the page, not exactly what I did revise
dubteedub (dub)
hmm, maybe im reading the log wrong, there were a lot of edits
Merari (Merari)
And I certainly don't remember removing debatealtright
Merari (Merari)
I don't think I did add pewdiepie
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
- Drop all mods who want out - Make sure the remaining mods know not to rely on the admins in case of harassment. - If you are at risk of getting doxxed, drop the sub (gabbi) - Do what the admins say but dont shut it down bcs an admin said its making more work for them like... then do your job?
dubteedub (dub)
@Merari im looking over the wiki revisiosn for the target list, why did you remove debatealtright and metacanada a couple days ago and add on pewdiepiesubmissions?
n8 (n8)
or if we keep complaining about harassment, I guess, since that creates work for the admins.
n8 (n8)
the only way the sub will get suspended is if it continues to create more work for the admins, which it likely won't.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
And @ShaneH7646 dont get suspended. Drop the sub and invite an alt or some shit. Then play.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
LMAO rekt
dubteedub (dub)
cool
n8 (n8)
I'm thinking it should be done by noon hopefully.
dubteedub (dub)
:thumbsup:
n8 (n8)
it'll be done today.
dubteedub (dub)
I mostly just wanted to post an explanation to AHS today
n8 (n8)
I have to go to a meeting in a few min, but I'll start on it when I get back.
n8 (n8)
I"m gonna do another writeup with links and shit. you can crosspost to SRD if you want since I'm not allowed to post my own drama
dubteedub (dub)
Also way to mute sodypop you idiot
dubteedub (dub)
@phedre let me know when you post the modmail
Sloth On Meth
Bad idea
Sloth On Meth
Yup
dubteedub (dub)
@ShaneH7646 if you reopen the sub you will likely be suspended. Are you really that dumb?
Sloth On Meth
The admins will close it for you lol
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Then leave.
Merari (Merari)
Bad idea
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Fixing the issues raised of course, but continueing
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Because I'm reopening the subreddit in 24 hours if none of our questions are answered
n8 (n8)
probably my profile, SRD, AHS, TMOR
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Where you posting the screenshots too?
Merari (Merari)
Probably best
n8 (n8)
do you think I should blur out "DM slack" too?
n8 (n8)
but I'll blur your name, I'm not a monster.
n8 (n8)
you can ignore a userping and PM.
n8 (n8)
the death threats are empty threats.
Merari (Merari)
We don't even have perms on the sub anymore. Can't even mute someone who decides to be a persistent troll
Merari (Merari)
Yes, please. I am already expecting a lot of harassment and death threats over this, I don't want to add fuel to that fire
n8 (n8)
I mean, I'll blur it, I just didn't think you typically shy away from it.
n8 (n8)
merari, you seriously want your name blurred out of modmail? I thought you loved having your face on this stuff.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Like they do 99% of other issues
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
But honestly? I get how this is extra work for admins. I dont get how they cant ignore it.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
As long as its the sub itself
Merari (Merari)
I like my account
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Get acted on
n8 (n8)
eh, let's get acted on tbh
Merari (Merari)
We're stopping because the alternative is getting acted on
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Meanwhile reddit burns and us mods get lined up and harassed day in day out for doing volunteer “work”.
n8 (n8)
that's literally what they said was a big part of the problem
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Work... thats what they dont want
n8 (n8)
admins: ok, well knock off your shit then, and stop causing us work
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Are you guys stopping bcs sody said to “behave”?
n8 (n8)
us, after causing a shitload of drama: "admins, they're harassing us"
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Grey area free for all for the admins
n8 (n8)
I won't be leaking DM slack.
Merari (Merari)
I was mistaken. N8 was talking about modmail
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
I know that lol of course they would
Merari (Merari)
It's not
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
Why is DM slack being leaked
Merari (Merari)
Admins told us to knock it off
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
Shane why are you using a service you literally get paid for (supload)
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
the fuck is going on
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
What was the screenshot abt what did the admins say
Merari (Merari)
Well, ok. Please blur my name
Merari (Merari)
Modmail
Merari (Merari)
Wait
Merari (Merari)
I think it's a bad idea to leak DM slack. If you can't be persuaded not to, please block all the names
n8 (n8)
who wants me to blur their name for the modmail screenshot with sody? obviously I'll already be blurring sody's name.
Merari (Merari)
I don't know. That's what I was told. I haven't seen it myself
Sloth On Meth
@Merari the LoL subreddit didn't get harrasment
Merari (Merari)
The private page message is to fuck with that fake news confabulist. Thanking him for his help harms his tiny "news" outlet
Merari (Merari)
Who the fuck put that in there anyway
Merari (Merari)
The general idea was that this was creating a lot of harassment for moderators of our subreddit and target subreddits. Especially subs that had no business being on the list such as LoL
Merari (Merari)
We can't leak dm slack
Sloth On Meth
Take that supload link off lol
Sloth On Meth
Also
Sloth On Meth
what the fuck is that
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646 We would like to thank @HowleyReports for fully funding this liberal project. Pat is a good friend of mine who thought if we made big drama his article would go viral. [Here is a relevant pig gif]() - Shane
Sloth On Meth
@Siouxsie Sioux care to screenshot
Sloth On Meth
@Merari
Sloth On Meth
@phedre
Sloth On Meth
Sid sody answer any questions?
Merari (Merari)
I'm not getting involved in that in any way
saydie (maybesaydie)
I'm curious as to what this blackout thing we're telling them about is supposed to be.
Siouxsie Sioux
I'm too drunk to put up with any shit from sody
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Also, No-one puts ~~Baby~~ Siouxsie in a corner
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Sodypop basically said "Hey, uh - there's a bunch of jerks targetting you guys and that makes work for us" and I was all like, inside, "ARE YOU BLAMING US FOR STANDING UP TO THE BULLIES" but then went into Angry Academic Mode
jackson1442
hehe I don’t mod there
n8 (n8)
dubteedub (dub)
?
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Theblackout?
jackson1442
so is TheBlackout the same kind of thing or is it actually happening
jackson1442
haha
WorseThanHipster
if by slap you mean sent sodypop to politely whine to us, yes
jackson1442
oh wait did the admins slap us
WorseThanHipster
theyre onto us
WorseThanHipster
WorseThanHipster
guys
n8 (n8)
fucking gamer nerds
n8 (n8)
haha probably
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I'm pretty sure it was the messages r/lol got that got sody to message
WorseThanHipster
hey props to ya'll for being big enough that putting LoL on the sidebar was enough to get a PM from sody himself
WorseThanHipster
>causing the admins ~more~ work is against the TOS
n8 (n8)
causing the admins more work is against the TOS
WorseThanHipster
We're not in any way shape or form breaking the stated rules of reddit so i'll be damned if they ban US with the sub.
Siouxsie Sioux
Fuck that guy with a rusty rake
WorseThanHipster
oh i figured when I saw all the ppl asking about slack, of course he's on DM slack
Siouxsie Sioux
I think apologies and any hint of begging for forgiveness is inappropriate.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
^ he's in dm now
Siouxsie Sioux
I did cuss sody out recently
WorseThanHipster
ypu shoulda let this fire you got now loose on him
Siouxsie Sioux
I wasn't apologising
WorseThanHipster
you started it with yer "i feel you"
Siouxsie Sioux
And thank us for spending our free time running their site they barely care about
Siouxsie Sioux
He should apologize to us for taking so long to ban mde
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Well, I'm not
Siouxsie Sioux
I'm not sorry
Siouxsie Sioux
No shit. So why are we apologizing to him
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Tbf sody doesn't make those decisions
Siouxsie Sioux
But oh we are just _so_ sorry
Siouxsie Sioux
Oh sorry sody we worship you and we let you down even though you fuckers ignored the problem of hate groups flourishing on your site and harassing us and ruining our communities
Siouxsie Sioux
All of these people apologizing wtf
WorseThanHipster
INORITE
n8 (n8)
figured it would have taken some of the heat off of them tbh
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Lol
WorseThanHipster
I bet sody never thought they'd be reaching out to someone for taking responsibility for a huge ban wave.
WorseThanHipster
that's funny
WorseThanHipster
thanks
n8 (n8)
WorseThanHipster
WorseThanHipster
Hey anyone got a link ot the sodypop thread?
WorseThanHipster
Merari (Merari)
Possible
TheGoldMustache
@Merari It’s possible that they just guessed. People in the discord made the assumption that admins made us stop
Merari (Merari)
Who's leaking
Merari (Merari)
n8 (n8)
exactly like they did today
n8 (n8)
So in case anyone was wondering why I never went to the admins about the death threats I was getting, it's because as soon as you start creating work for them, they'll step in and tell you to knock it the fuck off.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Lee Atwater -> 30 years later -> Steve F'n Bannon
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
I can't fault them for not doing anything that could be construed to be political during the campaign, because they're not omnipotent, and the DoJ ain't nothin' to fuck with. But now everyone knows what they're up to, and we can get society to be vaccinated against this bullshit for another thirty years at least
WorseThanHipster
That’s when they figure out the tactic: give your marching order in public by couching them in “this is what (((they))) do”
WorseThanHipster
yeah they could have started this when GG started because that was really the turning point on Reddit.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
FWIW, my position is that this (these bans) is the beginning of a garbagefire that is going to burn, and that it's going to burn hot and hard, and put the admins through a lot of hardship, but that it could have been avoided or better managed if they had a more sensible anti-abuse policy and practice. It could have been a dumpsterfire but they let it get to this point. Equity serves those with clean hands and we have servicably ungrimy hands
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Good
WorseThanHipster
It was made like 2 days ago to imply that AHS finally got a bunch of anti-pedo subs banned.
WorseThanHipster
Also /r/AgainstPedoHate banned.
WorseThanHipster
Yeah fuck that place. That was straight up coontown mods.
Merari (Merari)
Bant
Merari (Merari)
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
less ads than imgur even
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
it just has ads
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
no it doesnt
Sloth On Meth
>It's a site that uses your computer to mine shitty cryptocoins when you view images on it
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
whats to fix
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646 can u fix the supload link
Sloth On Meth
imo yes get us on the news
Sloth On Meth
nvm im dumb
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646 no longer private?
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Are the senior people speaking to the Vice guy, Matt, or not?
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I have no idea what is going on, but it appears it's turned into a big pile of confusion and meta-trolling circle-jerking luls.
Merari (Merari)
Sorry for panicking. I was not looking forward to an inbox full of abuse
Merari (Merari)
Thank you Shane, this is a huge relief
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
I think we are out of crises to manage and fires to put out, so I'm going to go to dinner. Nobody light any matches for the time being
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
:the_horns:
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
its litterally nothing
TheGoldMustache
Ah just a troll
TheGoldMustache
Shane what is beigeconsortium
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
now to watch them try figure out what the beige consortium is
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Brb
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Ah. I see both thanks. Glad he’s changed it.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Merari (Merari)
I think Dumbs lost power. N8 is at work
Merari (Merari)
I can't even spell anymore
Merari (Merari)
It's gone praise things
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
looking
Merari (Merari)
Is it gone?
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
I cant find the message as im logged into the sub is there a screenshot
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I missed a lot at work. Going to catch up
Sloth On Meth
badly
Sloth On Meth
like
Sloth On Meth
we're mods of big subs and we get threatened over shit like this
Merari (Merari)
Yes, that. What sloth said
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646 can you hurry up?
Merari (Merari)
Anything.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
^
Sloth On Meth
./R/THEBANOUT2018 HAS SHUT DOWN. MORE INFO SOON.
Sloth On Meth
anything
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
what should I replace it with?
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646
Merari (Merari)
Why are you doing this
Merari (Merari)
"Oh no these poor babies got harassed and they do it for free!"
Merari (Merari)
You're goading these people into attacking us
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646 take that message off
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
If he wants perspectives, then we'd provide them. None of us are going to speak on behalf of the subreddit / on your behalf, though.
Merari (Merari)
You're going to ensure we call get send endless deaththreats
Merari (Merari)
Take that message of the page now
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
yes
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
What, speaking to the Vice reporter?
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
I think Shane is just someone who is sick of altrighters, I can relate.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
what. you cant be serios about speaking to them now?
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
We need a private setup.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
@ShaneH7646 Great input, thank you :slightly_smiling_face:
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Nuked it. Removed comments. Start over in private
TheGoldMustache
“Bigleaguepolitics” isn’t even included as News by google
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Hang on what message?
TheGoldMustache
No Vice or NPR though
WorseThanHipster
The fuck is that story
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
I thought Shane would mess around again
WorseThanHipster
Meh, it was funny while it lasted
Merari (Merari)
I agree. Shane is one of them
WorseThanHipster
We were trolled Shane is one of them
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
Merari (Merari)
And no one can remove this idiotic message because the dumbass took our perms
TheGoldMustache
I can’t find anything about it on Vice or NPR
Merari (Merari)
You all know how this will be spun. "Oh no the crybabies were harassed" and then they will turn the harassment up to 11
TheGoldMustache
The Banout hasn’t been mentioned on any news sites. Unless we can convince a news organization that we were responsible they don’t care
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
not NBC News, but Vice and NPR news
Merari (Merari)
This dumbass message on the front page means the trolls won. It's over
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Oh, it's - it's news.
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
ban thebanout2018 bh.. it's the perfect ending
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Is news
TheGoldMustache
>doubt
TheGoldMustache
“This is going to be news”
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
But this is going to be news, and we do, each of us, have the ability to discuss our experiences and motives with the Vice reporter
Merari (Merari)
Shane took our fucking perms again and printed a dumbass message on the private page
WorseThanHipster
But the admins have nothing to gain or lose by our actions.
WorseThanHipster
I mean we can ask for a favor.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Right now most of us don't have permissions to affect the subreddit's config, and it being private with this showing on the splash page, probably satisifies the admins, for the most part, for the time being.
WorseThanHipster
We hold 0 chips with the admins.
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
*they
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
We could use this to negotiate with the admins amiably. Maybe this will listen to it now if we handle this civilly
WorseThanHipster
he funny 2 me
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
I don't know that he'd bring anything to the table at this point, and from my estimation of him, he's already on board with both the "make them look like clownshoes" and "take away their privileges and access" tables
WorseThanHipster
alright
WorseThanHipster
He seems to enjoy pissing off alt right pissbabies and seems to be good at it.
Merari (Merari)
The banout fold? Yes
WorseThanHipster
Deverat is one of my favorite dudes is it too late to bring him into the fold?
WorseThanHipster
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
We get the same treatment every other community gets, the same chances
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
*behind
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
They can't handle us any differently than they handle any other community, and there's a long litany of reasons behand that
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Was a nice message fair play. He could have beeb an asshole and just banned / suspended us. It’s nice that s/he reached out first
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Yeah that's why we're private lol
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Wow an admin messaged us
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Just overall. Banout starts and right after the admins ban dozens off hate subs
Sloth On Meth
Sloth On Meth
its workiiing
WorseThanHipster
I’m in the road I haven’t seen any of this sodypop biz
WorseThanHipster
Ban
WorseThanHipster
What van?
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Lol I know
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
I can't believe how lucky our timing was with the banout. We do this and bans start. Fucking lul
dubteedub (dub)
I like that sody gave us a knock and then actually banned another sub on the list
WorseThanHipster
I’m sad they stopped.
WorseThanHipster
I think it was a KIA post. I’m not sure but BoOC has a contest going a while back.
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Lol nice
WorseThanHipster
it’s s must listen
WorseThanHipster
So that link I just posted is a dramatic reading of an actual Reddit post.
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Especially since sjwhate just got banned
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Let everyone freak out for just a little bit longer while we write the announcement post
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
yes
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Perfect
Sloth On Meth
yes or no
WorseThanHipster
Oh on discord? Yea fuck that
Sloth On Meth
(i go @ everyone THEBANOUT2018 IS SHUTTING DOWN and close all text channels but one, allowing everyone to lose their shit in there)
Sloth On Meth
can i do this on the discord?
WorseThanHipster
@Quietus42 You have big shoes to fill:
Sloth On Meth
and then we type up a good announcement for the subreddit
Sloth On Meth
how's that sound
Sloth On Meth
i go @ everyone THEBANOUT2018 IS SHUTTING DOWN and close all text channels but one, allowing everyone to lose their shit in there
WorseThanHipster
I think we should look powerful, not at the whim of the admins.
Sloth On Meth
i have a plan
Sloth On Meth
you know
WorseThanHipster
Nah.
Sloth On Meth
Sloth On Meth
can i put that on the discord?
Sloth On Meth
**TheBanout2018 is shutting down.** The admins have reached out to us and told us to cease operation. Our subreddit has caused unforseen issues to other moderation teams and individuals unrelated to hate subreddits. Please refrain from harassing, spamming / attacking any communities, individuals etc. If you are caught doing so, you will be reported to site admins, Now, to the juicy part: Dear reddit Admins. You and i both know these subreddits should have been banned ages ago. Subreddits like /r/milliondollarextreme have been causing issues to us mods for a long, long time. We've even resorted to using custom bots to ban people who participate in certain subreddits, simply because the anti-brigading tools you once promised are just not available to us moderators. Thank you for banning these hatesubs, but this could've gone differently. *Disclaimer: /r/Thebanout2018 and / or it's moderation team has no control over the decisions the admins of make.*
TheGoldMustache
SJWhate being banned would’ve been easy to claim credit for
TheGoldMustache
Shit it’s too bad it happened now
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
tango down!
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
SJWhate gone!
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Okay.
Sloth On Meth
wait im writing something up
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
What should we say?
Sloth On Meth
@phedre
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Okay good. And do we have Nate or somebody working on a post?
Sloth On Meth
can i make an announcement on the discord?
Sloth On Meth
yes
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Is TBO2018 private?
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Sjwhate is banned!
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Yeah the anti banouts are funny as ell. They’re meant to upset us but they’re too comical. Seriously
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
They've noticed:
WorseThanHipster
just ballisima
WorseThanHipster
This is great I’m love the reaction subs.
WorseThanHipster
bro hold tight
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Everything on thebanout is hidden right now
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Thats what i get
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Read all her theories
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Lol yup
Sloth On Meth
SIDES
Sloth On Meth
FUCKING
Sloth On Meth
MY
Sloth On Meth
HAHAHAAH ITS CRYSTALVULPINE
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
I found a bunch of anti-banout subs that are hilarious.
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Theres nowt there
WorseThanHipster
I lost my res tags 2 years ago so I’m running on memory here.
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Y'all should check out r/unbanout2018
WorseThanHipster
I lost my res tags 2 years ago so I’m running on memory here.
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
I’ll have a look at thebanout now
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
I keep hearing about this other quietus
WorseThanHipster
I know I thought you were him maybe.
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
I'm the quietus42 from TMoR lol
WorseThanHipster
bestofoutrageculture dramatic reading contest.
WorseThanHipster
Oh I guess another quietus
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
BoOC?
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
I didn't even notice. I was trolling hate subs, laughing
WorseThanHipster
I mean you did do those epic BoOC readings right?
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
I haven’t really looked at the sub been busy today so mosr just been posting articles to certain subs
TheGoldMustache
Not one person noticed /r/YiffInHell
TheGoldMustache
Personally I’m surprised at how much attention LoL got
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
I feel infamous
WorseThanHipster
*exists
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
We pissed off *all* the racists xD
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
It's pretty awesome how epic this got though
WorseThanHipster
lol
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Leagueoflegends
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
LOL?
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
We had two
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Probably one of the CA mods
Siouxsie Sioux
memed too close to the sun
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Yeah whoever added LOL fucked us lol
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Hang on I’m a lil tired here but am i reading this right? You want the admins to ban thrbanout?
WorseThanHipster
Replace? I thought we were SRS?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
who added r/LeagueOfLegends to the sidebar?
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
I know but fear of the unknown is powerful
WorseThanHipster
Even before any of this
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
what?
WorseThanHipster
they already do.
TheGoldMustache
We’d fully replace SRS
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
They'd whisper about us in the dark corners of Reddit
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646 get us banned lol
TheGoldMustache
I like it
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
No, think about it: we'd be a forever bogeyman
Siouxsie Sioux
boring
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
What if we just went private and never mentioned it again?
WorseThanHipster
nooooOOOoooOoo
Siouxsie Sioux
this
TheGoldMustache
But it would definitely be the most interesting one
TheGoldMustache
I’m not actually suggesting we do it
TheGoldMustache
@Merari definitely
Merari (Merari)
We'd never live it down
TheGoldMustache
It gets banned, and then they make an announcement saying the sub was meaningless
Merari (Merari)
That would be the worst possible outcome
Siouxsie Sioux
i'm a +1 for asking sody to ban the sub
TheGoldMustache
Plus the admins get to ban the boogeyman that is the Banout. All the salty people on reddit will suddenly love the admins
TheGoldMustache
that would be absolutely incredible
Siouxsie Sioux
its not like we can open it up and have it be anything
TheGoldMustache
Holy shit
Siouxsie Sioux
the amount of drama that will be generated by the sub being banned i think would be delightful
Siouxsie Sioux
we ask them to ban the sub
Siouxsie Sioux
OR
Siouxsie Sioux
maybe we should go full steam ahead until they ban the sub
Siouxsie Sioux
do they get these modmails?
Siouxsie Sioux
cringeanarchy has been doing similar stuff the whole time
Siouxsie Sioux
and they are to blame for this mess in the first place
Siouxsie Sioux
he sucks
Siouxsie Sioux
also no apologies to fucking sody
Zook (Zook)
Subreddit Settings
Zook (Zook)
lol
Zook (Zook)
:thinking_face:
dubteedub (dub)
Removing all the posts doesnt set it to private
Sloth On Meth
its not on private
Zook (Zook)
There we go.
Sloth On Meth
put the sub on private pls
Sloth On Meth
@ShaneH7646
Sloth On Meth
is that message o k ?
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Good idea about going private
Sloth On Meth
"please do not harass moderator teams or individuals"
Sloth On Meth
y'all should put the sub on private while we figure this out
Quietus42 (Quietus42)
Okay I'm here
Siouxsie Sioux
@Zook
Sloth On Meth
"we have no control over admin decisions"
Sloth On Meth
put it on private
Sloth On Meth
good point
Sloth On Meth
ah
Sloth On Meth
nah we're causing trouble so lets turn it into a place where we document the banned subs for now
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
We don't have to have any ultimatums. The subreddit can go private and then we can have plenty of time
Sloth On Meth
yo guys it's over
dubteedub (dub)
@ShaneH7646 if you dont make a decision I will, if you dont like it demod me. I'm on my way home. If you havent decided in an hour I'm gonna post sodys modmail as a sticky post and then add a version of the as the stickied comment
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
We should do both - we say that the assertion that WE were in control of the ban was a prank. That's the truth. We should also say that WE wanted to getpeople aware that they can take control of their communities and exercise their freedom of association, because that is ALSO the truth. How does that sound, @ShaneH7646?
Siouxsie Sioux
it says everything that needs to be said
Siouxsie Sioux
just post the screenshot of sody's modmail
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
lol
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
I fucking told you so
Siouxsie Sioux
@phedre quit having a life
Merari (Merari)
'Let me know if you have any questions' is corporate speak for "Listen up dipshit"
dubteedub (dub)
Either close the sub or admit it was a troll are our only actual options
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Right now, we control the framing. If we show that this is a prank, we still control the framing, and we do it in a way that the hate groups cannot reclaim
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
sodypop is litterally opening a conversation. >Let me know if you have any questions.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
lol why are you so eager to quit
Siouxsie Sioux
lol
Merari (Merari)
Merari (Merari)
Like, right now. Take the sub private, do the interview
Merari (Merari)
We have no choice. We have to stop
Merari (Merari)
Jig is up
Merari (Merari)
>Hey mods, I wanted to talk to you about some issues with this subreddit. There are a few issues in the way that you are misleading users into thinking you're responsible for the recent subreddit bans. We also noticed /r/leagueoflegends was put on your "hitlist" of subreddits which really is not alright as it is creating unecessary troubles for that moderator team. On a side note, we're also seeing increased reports of abuse and targeting of the moderators of this subreddit, which complicates the efforts of our support teams to help you and other moderators in regular day-to-day support. Most importantly, this makes it more difficult for us to do our jobs policing the site. >We'd like you to stop misleading users, and stop stirring up troubles for other communities moving forward. Let me know if you have any questions.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Mythological narratives are being constructed right now, by the hate subreddits and the fascists backing them. **_We can shatter those_**
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
shut up, the admins are listening, noone reply to sodypops modmail
Merari (Merari)
And replace fascists with trolls in this and the same hold true
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
I read a Yale Professor of Philosophy, Jason Stanley, @jasonintrator - He writes about rhetoric, and narratives, and fascism, and discourse, seriously -- if you want to do this seriously, and want to do this with the backing of the experts on how to best go about doing this, Jason Stanley is the go-to guy for expert advice on how to go toe-to-toe with fascists and bullies and win. He talks about the epistemology and ethics of platforming and deplatforming Steve Bannon in this thread
dubteedub (dub)
They have some questions to follow-up on, why is /r/whitenationalism and /r/debatealright still up? Why do the admins ban these communities and not others?
dubteedub (dub)
Exactly
Merari (Merari)
Also, admins have been known to act after media attention. The bottom line matters
dubteedub (dub)
yup, it gives them a chance to do some digging on these other subs and ask the admins why are these subs not banned?
Merari (Merari)
And gives the reporter something juicy
dubteedub (dub)
100% truthful narrative, puts us in a decent light, and puts pressure on the admins to do more by showing the reporter all these other communities that are still up
dubteedub (dub)
Provide the explanation that the sub was made to discuss issues of hate subreddits and ways the mods can take action. We happened to have lucky timing in that several of the worst offenders were actually banned shortly after the sub was made and decided to flip the script and claim credit for the bans and say that other subs were next. There was much freaking out by these hate subs, particularly as a couple more of the subs that were named actually were banned that week. Point out that a lot of the content on these subs were calls for minorites to be murdered or holocaust denial, etc. and that Reddit gave these communities a home for well over a year. Explain that this is a pattern of behavior and that Reddit continues to host a ton of white nationalists and other hate communities. Say that this is a great first step, but the admins do sincerely have much more work to do.
Merari (Merari)
>No problem. I'll keep sending you guys info regardless but do you think you could put some pressure on r/kstv and r/chaoticneutral. They're subs I personally want gone in a bad way and they're both MDE related so they're pretty vulnerable right now. Should be able to get them on ban evasion or content violations.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
that already gets done, just a little slower.
Merari (Merari)
Got this just now:
Merari (Merari)
Here's something tangible about this whole thing that has helped: People are pm'ing me lists of MDE spinoff subs they find. I am reporting these to admins. Then they're banned
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
how does that help or change anything though. there are already articles about the banned subreddits.
dubteedub (dub)
"Moderators see the worst hate and racism on a daily basis on Reddit due to the site hosting a number of hate communities. This week several of those subs were banned and a group of power mods pulled a prank to claim credit while taking a stand against harassment and abuse"
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Okay, everyone take a break and breathe
Merari (Merari)
You're not being clever. What you want will not work
Merari (Merari)
I have held back a great deal.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
can you patronise me a little more please
Merari (Merari)
That
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Please trust us, Shane. -- I spent a decade working for a PR firm and the way we springboard out of this with the community following us, is as trickster-hero figures who stole back the sun from the trolls.
Merari (Merari)
Please listen. A lot of us are middle aged. We know how people work by now. We know what can work and what cannot work.
Merari (Merari)
On the other hand, what you want will make us the boogyman
Merari (Merari)
Everything is spin. Everything is narrative. Getting the public on your side is easy. Make yourself the underdog and score a victory against the big bad. We're doing that with this
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
merari has a good political motivation
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Merari had a good write up
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
We can be Mel Brooks instead of clownshoes.
dubteedub (dub)
We have actually had people cover us trolling trolls before
Merari (Merari)
Then work that to your advantage instead of making it so much worse
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
we are already a laughing stock
Merari (Merari)
We can pretend that mass bans will happen. They will not. We will be a laughing stock and a meme for years to come. The trolls win
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
We *can* have both.
Merari (Merari)
Or
Merari (Merari)
We have a game plan. We have a fantastic story. We have good successes. We can use this interview to go out on top
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
there is not way to phrase that in a way it wont be laughed at and shrugged off
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Shane, take a while to read through the responses we've gotten on /r/AgainstGayMarriage, or /r/Faggots. Lots of people get morale out of seeing them subverted.
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Maybe its best not to communicate with the press unless we’re all in a clear agreement or it’ll be like Brexit, a bloody shambles lol
Merari (Merari)
Not if you put it like that. It will if you explain it the way we thought out. You can simplify anything until its lame
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
in fact, nothing comes from 'we trolled the trolls!'
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
no good will come from 'we trolled the trolls!'
dubteedub (dub)
Yup, literally every other mod here is able to discredit any blatant lies you pull shane
Merari (Merari)
This is such a novel initiative that we can use to do some real good. Please don't sabotage this and make everyone here the butt of the joke for years to come
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
I won’t be on for a week.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
So claiming that the aim of the subreddit is to get Reddit to own up to delivering a safer experience for its users, is a good thing. But - don't claim that we're directing Reddit administration to shutter communities.
phedre (phedre)
I’m going out to dinner. I’ll check in later to see if this lunacy has settled.
phedre (phedre)
Lying about what’s going on is not going to get us anything but an admin explosion in our faces and I want no part of it.
dubteedub (dub)
Have you honestly not been actually following anything on this sub?
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Dont lie to the press. Its a shit idea will make a mockery of us and we’ll likely get demodded or suspended
dubteedub (dub)
the admins know it is bullshit because we claimed responsibility for all of the banned subs
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Putting public pressure on Reddit administration to work out a technological solution to deliver that functionality (it's not actually difficult -- Unix has had this for 45 years) isn't itself a bad thing. It can be a tool that improves reddit for people who aren't us, even if we aren't going to use it
n8 (n8)
I have to leave for now, catch you guys later.
Merari (Merari)
We will not say that because it is not true
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
if we say this is serious to a reporter, the admins may take note. if we say it was abullshit and just a trol nothing happens and this has been pointless
dubteedub (dub)
blackladies uses saferbot already and several other subreddits used it to massban MDE users, now that MDE is banned, there are no further plans to implement the ban bot
dubteedub (dub)
u/saferbot does that already
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
There are plenty of others (not in our social circle) who legitimately want and/or need the ability to blanket-ban the users of arbitrary subreddits, in order to use Reddit at all, much less use Reddit safely.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
got till the 22nd of november to figure that out
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
r/BlackLadies wanted the ability, legitimately.
dubteedub (dub)
>It's like the 2015 blackout, but instead of going private we will ban every participant of a hateful harassing subreddit from as many subreddits as possible. Unlike the blackout, this will only effect the cause of the problem You are lying if you say you are going to ban every user from every hate sub. Do you think the mods of /r/moviedetails are going to go for that? I sincerely doubt /r/learnuselesstalents is So where are you going to mass ban people from?
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
The ABILITY to ban from a subreddit, users of other subreddits, isn't a stupid idea. It's just one that has had technical problems and political lack of will behind it.
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
Ive been on reddit for 10 years my dude. Trust me, its a stupid idea
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
There's a distinction between technological ability to do a thing, and getting political backing to do a thing. Everyone has had the technological ability to do this thing -- banning the users of given subreddits -- for a long time, and they started to do it a while back, until the admins said "hey don't do this, it burdens the servers and the complaints from the jackasses look bad and suck up our time".
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I'm saying its not a stupid idea.
dubteedub (dub)
Yeah, and we all told you then it was a stupid idea, n8 made a funny post after MDE got banned claiming credit, and now we are where we are
Merari (Merari)
This is the stage where I normally explode into an angry rant
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
you can litterally just go to the sidebar of the subreddit, my intentions have been pretty clear since I made the sub
dubteedub (dub)
You want other people to buy into your plan, yes? So explain it
dubteedub (dub)
which are?
Merari (Merari)
Oh my god
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
the intentions of the subreddit.
dubteedub (dub)
So you are going to tell them what then?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I wouldnt be lieing though
dubteedub (dub)
You think any reporter will care what you say when there is proof you are lying to them? You think that reporter will care to listen to any reddit moderator again in the future if you lie to them?
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
We don't want to showcase the hate that was on the subreddits, we want to have a narrative that Redditors are able to take control over their subreddits and not be over-run by an army of hatefilled goons, and punk them when they try
Siouxsie Sioux
and they will be right
Siouxsie Sioux
the admins can just put out a statement that we are full of shit
Siouxsie Sioux
this
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
if thats our options
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
I rather nobody talk to a reporter than lie to them
Merari (Merari)
Shane. Please.
dubteedub (dub)
it gives us a chance to showcase the hate that was on those subreddits and why we support banning these communities in the future
Merari (Merari)
And we can tell it in a way that is exciting, interesting, novel
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
no, you havent.
Merari (Merari)
Not if you present it like that. But we have given real, tangible ways in which this has made a change for the better
dubteedub (dub)
but at least that is the truth
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
neither is 'I trolled a bunch of trolls, nothing changed, noone cared'
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
that isnt newsworthy
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
its just going to be you adding saferbot to your own subs
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
then dont do it, I'm not forcing anyone too
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
Nobody is going to do it with you shane
dubteedub (dub)
Are you saying any of the subs you mod have agreed to add a banbot for every sub listed in the sidebar?
Merari (Merari)
Admins will not allow it. Please understand this
Merari (Merari)
It's not happening.
dubteedub (dub)
who?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Its not a false narative, you dont want to follow through and thats fine, but others do
Merari (Merari)
Seriously though, attempting to use a reporter to broadcast a false narrative, with the reporter not on board with that, is a huge mistake. That will ony backfire horrifically
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
then dont, I'll speak to him.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
I'm in my late 40's and if I had the power to Thanos the denizens of these hate subreddits out of the majority of Reddit, I'd do it. But I also don't try to do that because that plays into their mythic narrative that they're seriously dangerous. Milo Y made a whole arc of his career out of being the Bad Boy, "Dangerous Faggot", too dangerous for [whatever]. The world got past that, didn't give him the political power, figured out he was just an abuser, and now all he has left is his facebook page
dubteedub (dub)
Yes, we are anti-hate subs, but no one is gonna fall on that sword for you
dubteedub (dub)
No one here believes this is a serious "we are totes going to ban people from every subreddit we dont like"
dubteedub (dub)
No one here is going to lie to a reporter because you want to act tough
dubteedub (dub)
you refuse to listen to reasonable people presenting actual solutions and are acting petulant
dubteedub (dub)
You come off super immature and naive in these conversations is my point
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
what are you trying to say?
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
it would make sense
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
would that be a problem?
dubteedub (dub)
@ShaneH7646 serious question, are you a teenager?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
noone wanted to get ontop of some sort of troll sphere
Merari (Merari)
We'll be the joke of the troll sphere for years to come if we in any way try to actually go through with any sort of mass banning. It will be a meme. It will be a great victory for them
phedre (phedre)
I’m not on board with serious posting, actual banout, and lying to reporters.
phedre (phedre)
I’m on board with trolling and trying to make some good of it.
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
Im going to bounce if yall are going to keep saying it serious
Siouxsie Sioux
we didnt do that
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
As far as I can see, it's both serious and a troll. Subverting the subverters is srs bsns
Siouxsie Sioux
someone will post this chat or the one that was public
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
fine with me
dubteedub (dub)
you will be sincerely mocked if you claim this is serious
Siouxsie Sioux
lying never works out
Siouxsie Sioux
this
WorseThanHipster
We should be as honest as possible without embarrassing ourselves.
dubteedub (dub)
no, that is literally retarded
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
we've got until november 22nd to figure something else out. the article will do way more if we say its serious
Siouxsie Sioux
so demod me i guess
dubteedub (dub)
lying to a journo is retarded and noone here will back that option Shane
Siouxsie Sioux
i wont be going with that plan shane
WorseThanHipster
The journalist will not be fooled and just abandon us.
dubteedub (dub)
pretending that it is serious indefinetely is also "not going to do shit"
dubteedub (dub)
then what is your exit strategy
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
this is going nowhere lol
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
we say its serious and continue on.
WorseThanHipster
Just remind vice that it’s really about how witchints and nazis and conspiracy mongerers have ruined any discourse at all. Vice will make the political connection themselves as well.
dubteedub (dub)
@ShaneH7646 if you dont like what we are suggesting, then present an alternate plan
Merari (Merari)
Yes. We need to tell the truth in a way which benefits us, which means a way that doesn't advantage the trolls
WorseThanHipster
It’s basically the truth.
Merari (Merari)
Thanks Dubs, starred
WorseThanHipster
tell vice it was an awareness campaign and we got fucking lucky because the admins actually banned a bunch of places and everyone freaked out and we rolled with it cause it fit fine with out initial mission.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
It's going to let others know that they can do large-scale bans if they want, and deflate the "Freeze Peach! fascist censors!" myth. That's important - that it goes beyond just a joke and lets people feel comfortable asserting civil boundaries of what is and is not acceptable behaviour
dubteedub (dub)
@Merari here are some more MDE threads anti-race mixing anti-Semitism calling to "remove" jewish people holocaust denial - calls to brand all Jews - celebrating a trans redditor commiting suicide -
WorseThanHipster
*Admins
WorseThanHipster
That was hilarious and they did it to themselves and the Adkins never had to make it political.
n8 (n8)
maybe we could each tell our perspectives about what we wanted from the beginning and what we were trying to do throughout. that might be more interesting than a single statement.
WorseThanHipster
Like remember when admins banned a bunch of jailbait, beasteality, and explicitly Nazi subs, and a bunch of trolls came out to /r/announcements to ask “why do you only target right wing communities?!”
Siouxsie Sioux
either the truth or no vice
Siouxsie Sioux
lying wont be good either
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
vice isnt going to be interested in 'we did nothing, we're planning to shut it down, fuck the altright'
WorseThanHipster
And let the rubes be the ones informing everyone that “they were all right wing subs!”
WorseThanHipster
We could just say that they were dangerous conspiracy subs.
Merari (Merari)
Yes
dubteedub (dub)
^
Siouxsie Sioux
i'd let n8 be the one to post this shit since they already hate him
dubteedub (dub)
what do you realistically expect from the banout? no one here actually planned on mass banning any users
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
panicking for what? 4 days?
Siouxsie Sioux
looks good @dubteedub
Merari (Merari)
It does though. We got them panicking. Everyone was talking about it
n8 (n8)
oh, we got to lock threads
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
awareness doesnt do shit
n8 (n8)
we got the muting feature, new modmail, I think there were a couple other things, but off the top of my head I can't remember.
dubteedub (dub)
we use this as an opportunity to raise awareness
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
that doesnt expose shit
dubteedub (dub)
What tools?
Merari (Merari)
>The central narrative that these jerks like to exploit is a cycle: That they're the Victim, and the Rescuer, and that the targets of their hate are Their Persecutors and the Persecutors of Everyone/r/TheBanout2018 is a troll to take the air out of that narrative, to show that they're just clownshoes and not anyone's Victims, and not anyone's Rescuers, and are actually abusive predators.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
a few extra tools is better than nothing
Merari (Merari)
The attempt is to expose these people for what they are.
dubteedub (dub)
what attempt do you want exactly?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
so we just arent going to make any attempt at anything?
n8 (n8)
all the blackout did was give us a few extra tools, like muting and new modmail.
Merari (Merari)
The support we were getting in mod mail
Merari (Merari)
And we should really make a point of mentioning that too. The subs going private and changing their themes
n8 (n8)
we were never going to make any changes on our own. the admins don't listen to mods, they really never have except for the blackout which won't work again.
Merari (Merari)
Well, that's like what bardfinn said. It takes the stinger out of the wasp. It shows them to be clowns, not people in control. They were freaking out
dubteedub (dub)
what changes do you want?
Merari (Merari)
I think that's a really good way to draw attention to this issue in a way that will have the most chance of a positive effect
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
at what point does this make any changes
dubteedub (dub)
@ShaneH7646 @phedre @Siouxsie Sioux @(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream this make sense?
Merari (Merari)
Yes. Very good. I'm gonna star those to save them
dubteedub (dub)
Here are just a few examples of why this ban has been set in place. the sub literally had a front page post recently that was just N*****S and the mods flaired it as "Upvote This". It had over 1000 upvotes. They also regularly post the same le black crime posts that /r/coontown did before them with the same comments full of slurs and calling for black people to be lynched Here is calls for violence against immigrants Archive bot didnt snag this one, but he is another MDE user spelling out LYNCH BLACKS in his comment Another user here says "I don't support a company unless I can spam NIG MODE without consequence"
dubteedub (dub)
Here was the mass message I was using to explain the MDE ban on BPT
Merari (Merari)
We installed saferbot on Eyebleach, rarepuppers and happy to keep MDE from poisoning every single thread
dubteedub (dub)
or ones where we have to explain at all like TRP, KIA, Cringeanarchy, etc.
Merari (Merari)
We can speak at lenght about how MDE was trolling a lot of other subreddits
dubteedub (dub)
yup
Merari (Merari)
Just the worst of the worst subs. Leave out popular politically tinted subs like t_D
dubteedub (dub)
5./ we reopen the sub once the Vice article hits
dubteedub (dub)
so here is the plan if I understand: 1. tomorrow we close the sub, make some vague message that pops up on the private sub page about how we have reached a very positive agreement and that action will be taken soon 2. speak to the Vice reporter, explain to them that we happened to have made this sub right before these subs were banned and we used that to our advantage to pretend that we had a say 3. we trolled a bunch of hate subreddits by claiming they were next 4. we care deeply about hate and harassment on Reddit and though we were trolling, we do sincerely want action taken against actual hate communities, and give a few names like /r/whitenationalism, /r/whitebeauty, /r/gentilesunited, /r/debatealtright, /r/braincels, /r/subofpeace, etc. 5. we reopen the sub once the Vice article hits
jackson1442
tbh you could probably replace alt-right with trolls in every instance and it would work
Merari (Merari)
Yes, I agree. It will have the most effect if we do that
Merari (Merari)
Yes.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
and remove all the political crap
Merari (Merari)
We keep it at the trolling, the notion that bad faith participants are driving good people away and that we wanted to shine a light on that
Merari (Merari)
Ok agreed.
jackson1442
regardless of the issue
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
this is why I wanted to get on the same page before speaking to anyone
jackson1442
yeah the moment you align with _anyone_ politically, you lose the other side’s support
Merari (Merari)
Ok, good points everyone.
Merari (Merari)
Yes.
dubteedub (dub)
this
dubteedub (dub)
if you say right, then they will assume we are against anyone vaguely right
Merari (Merari)
We can just tell them that the banned subs were a hotbed of abuse and harassment and leave it to the reader to make an interpretation
dubteedub (dub)
you can say corloation to altright
dubteedub (dub)
though, I still dont think we want to say right
Merari (Merari)
We don't even have to do that.
dubteedub (dub)
yeah, exactly shane
dubteedub (dub)
you can say that the subs that were banned were altright, but leave it at that
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
^ there is a corolation to the right, but we dont want to focus on them or that will be the focus. we want to focus on the harassment and hate in general
Merari (Merari)
You're right
dubteedub (dub)
and we lose
dubteedub (dub)
if you say politics at any point they will call us butthurt leftists
Merari (Merari)
Also please tell me that imgur link is private
dubteedub (dub)
we explain that this is against trolls, hate, and harassment, not that it is because they support Trump
Merari (Merari)
Agreed
dubteedub (dub)
if we frame this as a political action, then we have lost
Merari (Merari)
Are you going to insist that the abuse isn't coming from a particular direction?
dubteedub (dub)
I dont like that draft text as I explained earlier
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
like, half of what you've written is political crap
Merari (Merari)
That is a rough draft and can be edited any which way
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
political crap
Merari (Merari)
You wanted it to be about the abuse and harassment
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
this is all
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Merari (Merari)
And we expose them for the clownshoes they are. They were panicking. Subs private
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
but the abuse being specificly from the altright, because thats political
dubteedub (dub)
this is not a political sub, its anti-hate
Merari (Merari)
But, as Bardfinn said, they're clownshoes
dubteedub (dub)
yeah
Merari (Merari)
No, the underlying message being that we're taking a stand against abuse, harassment and the trolls having the upper hand.
Merari (Merari)
The central narrative that these jerks like to exploit is a cycle: That they're the Victim, and the Rescuer, and that the targets of their hate are Their Persecutors and the Persecutors of Everyone/r/TheBanout2018 is a troll to take the air out of that narrative, to show that they're just clownshoes and not anyone's Victims, and not anyone's Rescuers, and are actually abusive predators.
Merari (Merari)
Bardfinn said it really well:
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
the underlying message being politics?
dubteedub (dub)
^
Merari (Merari)
We are trolling the troll sphere, but the underlying message is serious.
dubteedub (dub)
I dont know how you dont understand that
dubteedub (dub)
this sub is 100% a troll
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
> then over the weekend we explain to the Vice reporter that it was just a troll
Merari (Merari)
We are serious in our attempt to draw attention towards the harassment and abuse and in our intent to expose the troll sphere for the clown shoes they are
dubteedub (dub)
did you read what I wrote?
dubteedub (dub)
we end the troll this weekend by closing the sub tomorrow, then reopen it when the Vice article is published where we tell them the truth
dubteedub (dub)
that is exactly what I said
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
speak to the reporter as if we are serious
Merari (Merari)
We need to end it on our terms
n8 (n8)
"the other shoe will drop once the 2018 elections are complete"
Merari (Merari)
It's going to end either way. The admin banwave is over
dubteedub (dub)
@ShaneH7646 then what do you want to do
dubteedub (dub)
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
no
Merari (Merari)
Emphasise all the positive things we have achieved
dubteedub (dub)
@ShaneH7646
dubteedub (dub)
@ShaneH7646
Merari (Merari)
Using the Vice article as the culmination of the subreddit, wind it down after. This so that we can control the narrative while we still have momentum. As soon as the troll sphere realises no more bans are happening the balance will start shifting in their favour
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
what? I havent read the last like 2 hours
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
@dubteedub
Siouxsie Sioux
We need to make "n8thegr8 derangement syndrome" a thing
Siouxsie Sioux
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Desthwave gave me an automod key to remove comments without being a mod. I'm tempted to use it
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I havent read the last like 2 hours
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
what?
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Ahahahaha
n8 (n8)
lol
n8 (n8)
Siouxsie Sioux
RIP n8
Siouxsie Sioux
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Hope we’re not all going to be suspended
Siouxsie Sioux
N8 can handle it
Siouxsie Sioux
It will be used to harass the ones in it
Siouxsie Sioux
But whatever
Siouxsie Sioux
I'm uncomfortable with the vice article
dubteedub (dub)
@Siouxsie Sioux @(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream @ShaneH7646 are yall all good with this?
dubteedub (dub)
im on board with dis
WorseThanHipster
people read vice article, some navigate to the sub, see the post stickied, see a comment "Courtesy of TopMindsOfReddit"
n8 (n8)
we could just make a new post tomorrow. there are enough eyes on the subreddit that if we post something over the top they'll take the bait. it'll be like the "white people smell like" post I made
WorseThanHipster
not the whole game but "guys this is going to be funny, find some of their craziest batshittery
WorseThanHipster
as soon as the countdown starts I'll let TMoR and AHS know
WorseThanHipster
That can be stickied to the comments of the article post.
Merari (Merari)
Good point
WorseThanHipster
and in the mean time TMoR et al can keep track of all the crazy nonsense they spin
Merari (Merari)
I see what you mean
WorseThanHipster
Nah, 24 is good because people can relax and just set a reminder,
Merari (Merari)
This is the internet after all. 24 hours is a lifetime
Merari (Merari)
24 is very long. People will get fatigued
WorseThanHipster
24 easy
WorseThanHipster
Nah, 24
WorseThanHipster
if it's too lame, he's just not gonna publish
Merari (Merari)
Probably best to make the countdown about 6 hours. Go down maybe 4 hours before the article is live
Merari (Merari)
Ninjad by N8
WorseThanHipster
vice will eat that shit up
WorseThanHipster
blame the president and conservative culture
WorseThanHipster
I would try to selel him on using it to make a point about what a dangerous witchunt is going on.
WorseThanHipster
he can not publish anytime too.
dubteedub (dub)
yes
WorseThanHipster
and opent he sub back up with the article calling them rubes
dubteedub (dub)
you dont want to wait too long and have their editor lose interest either
WorseThanHipster
Ooooh, wait so like, "we are shutting down for now as we've reached a VERY positive agreement with the admins, we have a big announcement to make (in a few days/on the day of [publishing])
Merari (Merari)
Last communication we had we said we'd like to talk to them within the next three days. I will ask them this now
dubteedub (dub)
thats usually the first question you ask for a media inquiry
n8 (n8)
good point. we don't know when the vice article would go live.
dubteedub (dub)
Did you guys ask them what their deadline is?
phedre (phedre)
Have they given you a publishing date? These things move slowly don’t they?
Merari (Merari)
6 to 12 hours
WorseThanHipster
and maybe temper their fear mongering
Merari (Merari)
We could do that like 12 hours before the interview will be published, maybe even less. Suspense, but not to the point that fatigue sets in
WorseThanHipster
^ make them sweat a bit
WorseThanHipster
"Can The_Donald make it to the election without spreading more dangerous conspiracy theories?!"
dubteedub (dub)
shouldnt we close the sub first then bring it back once the interview goes out, we could even ask when the story will be published and re-open it on the same date
n8 (n8)
maybe we could take it private with the message "the countdown has begun" or something ominous
Merari (Merari)
Yes. First interview, then wind down the sub over the next day or two maybe. Have it featured as a sticky post
WorseThanHipster
by 'keep the troll going' i mean what dub said
WorseThanHipster
Oh yeah, def keep the troll goin, but if we do the interview before we close the sub then it shows we're not just 'saving face'
Merari (Merari)
I agree that the more honest we are the better it likely will be for us in the long run
Merari (Merari)
Anything can be tweaked. That was just a rough draft
dubteedub (dub)
as always, I am perfect
n8 (n8)
I think dub has the right idea
dubteedub (dub)
I think our best bet is if tomorrow we close the sub and claim the admins listened to us, have hatesubs freak out for a couple days, then over the weekend we explain to the Vice reporter that it was just a troll but we really do think Reddit should take stronger action on hatesubs
WorseThanHipster
and it's basically the truth
WorseThanHipster
It doesn't make us look dumb, or liek we tried anything and failed
n8 (n8)
someone just suggested that we add /r/atheism to the list of subs to ban
WorseThanHipster
it points out that these guys are idiots and their dangerous witchunts are based on nothing of substance.
WorseThanHipster
> it was just luck we made this sub when the admins started banning shit this is it i like this
WorseThanHipster
I wouldn't even twist truth. If it can't be done without minor omissions that don't actually change anything about the content being spoken, I wouldn't.
dubteedub (dub)
or even pre-AHS
dubteedub (dub)
>No pressure from us has gone to admins.Even if we wanted to, we could not actually mass-ban people. I mean, many of us have been using AHS to lobby the admins to ban hate subreddits for a long ass time
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
it was just luck we made this sub when the admins started banning shit
WorseThanHipster
> we just made shit up like they do but our predictions are actually informed so we have a better track record.
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
not that we had any credibility to start with lol
phedre (phedre)
Twist the truth but keep it truth.
phedre (phedre)
Agreed. No lies.
dubteedub (dub)
Lying in an interview as our grand gesture is probably not a good luck and ruins our credibility in the future
dubteedub (dub)
>We used our insider knowledge of the imminent ban of MillionDollarExtreme and related subreddits as a way to lend credence to our claims Yeah, but that is not true at all
WorseThanHipster
So, i have a question/pitch for everyone .
WorseThanHipster
nerds
Merari (Merari)
People like Phedre and N8 are good at making comprehensive writeups
dubteedub (dub)
im disappointed BPT isnt included
Merari (Merari)
We helped people see how empty and pathetic they are
dubteedub (dub)
it shows the mods of the banout and the subs they mod / their connections
Merari (Merari)
We took the iniative back from the trolls who had been on the agressive before, and we turned it around
dubteedub (dub)
it was on discord
Merari (Merari)
Put emphasis on all we achieved. We really made these people panic. Subs went private. Subs were attempted to be rebranded as about chairs
Merari (Merari)
And we'll do it soon, before we lose momentum
Merari (Merari)
Is everyone on board with this? We go out with a grand gesture, this interview. We're going to, in the words of Bardfinn, show that these abusers and harassers are clownshoes
n8 (n8)
wtf, /r/nottheonion isn't important enough?
WorseThanHipster
link to post
WorseThanHipster
what does it meme?
dubteedub (dub)
this is making the rounds now
dubteedub (dub)
WorseThanHipster
yea that works
Merari (Merari)
The central narrative that these jerks like to exploit is a cycle: That they're the Victim, and the Rescuer, and that the targets of their hate are Their Persecutors and the Persecutors of Everyone/r/TheBanout2018 is a troll to take the air out of that narrative, to show that they're just clownshoes and not anyone's Victims, and not anyone's Rescuers, and are actually abusive predators.
Merari (Merari)
Here's something Bardfinn wrote which I think should be our banner phrase for when we end it:
WorseThanHipster
I mean, as far as I can tell all that's happened because of TheBanout2018 is a lot of kids got reaaaaally really mad at something that wasn't real.
Merari (Merari)
Me and some of the moderators of large subreddits often congregate offsite on slack to discuss moderation issues. Spam, problem users, reddit infrastructure, automod code and so on. Though 80% of the talk on this slack is of a social nature. During these discussions we noticed that the alt-right on reddit plays by a different rulebook than the rest of us. They are not interested in a fair, intellectually honest debate. We noticed that a lot of our users felt discouraged when they were making well-thought out arguments in which they put time and effort, only to be replied to with a meme at best and abuse at worst. "Orange man bad" "The left can't meme." And so on.We saw that the initiative very much was with the alt-right, who were dominating reddit despite their what we believe to be far smaller numbers as opposed to people interested in a healthy, constructive debate, people who aren't completely morally bankrupt.We made a plan. If we could these people to believe that the rest of reddit had had enough and was going to ban participants of their subreddits from a large section of the rest of reddit completely, we could drive them into a panic.We could "troll the trolls". In doing so we could a) Give a morale boost to those who were weary of being trolled and harassed all the time. Especially when it would be revealed to all be joke. The shoe would be on the other foot for once. b) We could demoralise the alt-right. Perhaps, even, make them panick enough to do something so stupid that it would attract negative admin attention. c) As a side-project, any mod team contacting us to say they were interested in or supportive of the "banout" could be given the link to the same bot that r/LateStageCapitalism uses to remove bad faith actors. Since that bot can be programmed to only ban once a treshold amount of karma on target subreddits is reached it bans less false positives than a bot like SaferBot.We used our insider knowledge of the imminent ban of MillionDollarExtreme and related subreddits as a way to lend credence to our reality we have nothing at all to do with the recent banwave. This is 100% an admin initiative. No pressure from us has gone to admins.Even if we wanted to, we could not actually mass-ban people. The moderating teams of large subreddits would veto such a proposal. Admins would likely act against us for interfering with reddit operations, instead of acting against problem subreddits.
Merari (Merari)
Here's something I wrote earlier:
Merari (Merari)
Not necessarily. We don't have to lie but we can use spin.
WorseThanHipster
that "what" was the plan?
Merari (Merari)
The interview should happen no later than three days from now
WorseThanHipster
Would it be along the lines of "yeah none of this was true that's not even ho reddit works and the admins don't listen anyways"?
Merari (Merari)
We can spin it like this was the plan all along instead of serendipity
Merari (Merari)
That way we keep the upper hand
Merari (Merari)
Once reddit at large realises no more bans are coming the troll sphere will claim victory. They will claim that no matter what we do, it's their MO. Repeat a lie so long and loudly that some people at least start believing. We cannot prevent that. We can mitigate it. We can pre-empt this with this interview that is planned and by coming forward and shutting down once the interview is published
WorseThanHipster
into what? reddit being overrun by nazis recruiting young men to harass and in some cases physically attack people?
n8 (n8)
I did too, but I'm worried about this snowballing even more.
Merari (Merari)
We're going to do the interview in a few days and that will be the end of it
WorseThanHipster
I likeed the idea of making them think something big was coming.
dubteedub (dub)
might as well go out with a bang while attention is on us and leave the hate communities feeling like they gotta look over their shoulder
dubteedub (dub)
the admins probably are not going to ban anymore communities for a bit, so if they don't we will stop getting attention and people wont care
WorseThanHipster
nazis and angry bois are, as usual, angry
dubteedub (dub)
yes please
WorseThanHipster
Reddit at large is pretty happy about the bans.
WorseThanHipster
Well, lets take stock
n8 (n8)
I think it might be a good idea to just do a writeup tomorrow and shut it all down.
WorseThanHipster
I dunno i mean getting all of their ire and letting them spread conspiracies about the place and then getting to point out to everyone that those insane idiots have been talking out their ass is pretty funny
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
I like this
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
> im of the opinion that we should say the admins have accepted our ultimatum and we have agreed to close this sub for the time being and pick an arbitrary date that the admins will ban another sub
dubteedub (dub)
@Siouxsie Sioux @(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream yall have any ideas
n8 (n8)
the fact that we have people coming to us asking us to ban certain subs isn't really sitting right with me. I feel like a con artist at this point, instead of just trolling some shitty hate subs.
dubteedub (dub)
im of the opinion that we should say the admins have accepted our ultimatum and we have agreed to close this sub for the time being and pick an arbitrary date that the admins will ban another sub
dubteedub (dub)
what do yall wanna do
dubteedub (dub)
so anyway, back to the final solution for this sub
n8 (n8)
now you're getting it
WorseThanHipster
so is peeing in the bathtub
n8 (n8)
they're so comfy tho
WorseThanHipster
sick
dubteedub (dub)
he wears finger toe shoes
Merari (Merari)
:lenny:
dubteedub (dub)
ive seen n8s picture
WorseThanHipster
i'm not convinced. he's a handsom guy, i'm goin to pretend it's you
dubteedub (dub)
WorseThanHipster
yeah you just have to convince them it's not you :stuck_out_tongue:
n8 (n8)
well that person isn't a mod, so maybe they'll care
WorseThanHipster
though as agentlame found out admins don't care if it targets mods
Merari (Merari)
I now have a morbid curiosity and want to lurk
n8 (n8)
it's really close to PI depending on what that site is about.
Merari (Merari)
Anyone have a link to that discord thing?
WorseThanHipster
it's not PI... but it is, and it's certainly targetted harassment.
WorseThanHipster
I mean, this is doxxing right?
n8 (n8)
I just told them.
WorseThanHipster
well shit, tell the admins?
n8 (n8)
they've been calling me a nudist for like 2 weeks and I thought it was some weird meme, but apparently they found that guy's account.
dubteedub (dub)
yeah thats not good n8
WorseThanHipster
nudist ?!
dubteedub (dub)
eesh
WorseThanHipster
hard to tell if all this worhtless outrage is going to burn them out or make them more powerful....
n8 (n8)
n8 (n8)
they're starting to dox random n8thegr8s, and I'm not ok with this.
WorseThanHipster
I like the idea of dusting hands and leaving them hanging
WorseThanHipster
Lol, that's a good one, it might piss off the admins tho
dubteedub (dub)
Obviously MDE and GA had to go prior to the midterms so as to influence the election, they were getting too close
dubteedub (dub)
I think we should launch our endgame tomorrow announcing that the admins have given into our demands with the recent banning of MDE and GA and that they have agreed to ban all of the other subreddits we have identified after the midterm elections unless they shape up
n8 (n8)
we should probably shut it down.
dubteedub (dub)
^
dubteedub (dub)
^
dubteedub (dub)
^
dubteedub (dub)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
n8 (n8)
I think this whole thing has or is nearly on the verge of spiraling out of control.
dubteedub (dub)
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
discord is already cancer but this one is particularly bad
WorseThanHipster
right now it's just rewarding them with anticipation/success
Merari (Merari)
I haven't even looked at the place. I don't want to
Merari (Merari)
I agree tbh
WorseThanHipster
No fanfare
WorseThanHipster
if the discord isn't gonna be a honeypot I say nuke it from orbit.
dubteedub (dub)
fine
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Aw god. This is herding cats
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I almost left earlier and I was talked into staying. Let's give it a chance
dubteedub (dub)
I just banned a dozen folks from this dumbass discord
Siouxsie Sioux
i'm about to as well because i'm tired of defending this shit only to get into this channel and see people pretending it's real
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
@dubteedub pls no
dubteedub (dub)
good luck yall
dubteedub (dub)
Im about to demod, because this is tiring and modmail is getting to be too much
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Look honey. Susan have you heard de la soul and teenage fanclub? Unrelated
n8 (n8)
the invite is pinned to #general in case you need to use it again
Siouxsie Sioux
thank you
dubteedub (dub)
This place is 100% trolling
Siouxsie Sioux
my head is going to explode
Siouxsie Sioux
there's the invite
Siouxsie Sioux
Siouxsie Sioux
to her
Siouxsie Sioux
Give this link
dubteedub (dub)
#BanShane
Siouxsie Sioux
invite to this channel?
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I'm not a slackmin here
Siouxsie Sioux
i'm not signed in
Siouxsie Sioux
YOU INVITE HER
Siouxsie Sioux
wtf
Siouxsie Sioux
if any person here thinks that it isn't trolling, they are delusional
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Joy is really confused. Invite her again
Siouxsie Sioux
the "mission statement" will be trolling
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Cause we haven't gotten cohesion yet. That's why 5 of us are working on ammission statement.
Siouxsie Sioux
why does our top mod think we are
Siouxsie Sioux
why do people in this channel think we are
Merari (Merari)
And this is over the line
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
No one is actually getting banned.
Merari (Merari)
>are these people not allowed to be against something that was only recently legalized
Siouxsie Sioux
well why do people in this channel think we are
Merari (Merari)
We're not going to ban anyone
Siouxsie Sioux
their servers will love it
n8 (n8)
lol
Siouxsie Sioux
i'm sure reddit's super awesome money making machine will be ready for the extra work
Siouxsie Sioux
oh ok then yeah let's all ban everyone then
Merari (Merari)
They won't allow a blackout. They've acted when things hurt the bottom line before. It could be construed as being against the TOS, interfering with reddit operations.
n8 (n8)
they're a default.
n8 (n8)
2xchromosomes runs an autoban bot, btw.
Siouxsie Sioux
they dont know your agenda
Siouxsie Sioux
then why are we punishing people who just randomly show up to that sub
n8 (n8)
we don't actually know that
Siouxsie Sioux
if the sub doesn't explicitly say "no trans allowed"
n8 (n8)
> Admins wouldn't allow it.
Siouxsie Sioux
also
Siouxsie Sioux
take them out of the sidebar while their sub is at 3k
Siouxsie Sioux
if you hate them so much
Siouxsie Sioux
idgaf what they are, we are making them more popular by putting them in the sidebar
Merari (Merari)
Vicious bigots, gatekeeping who gets to be a woman
Siouxsie Sioux
because we aren't launching a giant crusade to ban people from a 3k sub
Merari (Merari)
Theyre TERFs
Siouxsie Sioux
and putting a sub like realwomen or whatever on the sidebar is part of trolling
Siouxsie Sioux
or even considering it
Siouxsie Sioux
anybody joining this should not be told we are seriously banning people
Siouxsie Sioux
it's entirely a troll circlejerk
Siouxsie Sioux
Siouxsie Sioux
so why do people keep acting like we are going to do something like that
Siouxsie Sioux
can you give it to her
Siouxsie Sioux
i put the link here
Merari (Merari)
It's completely unfeasable. Admins wouldn't allow it. Large subs would never go along. And even if, it would backfire spectacularly
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
@Siouxsie Sioux I'm talking to joy. Send her another invite
Siouxsie Sioux
@ShaneH7646
Siouxsie Sioux
can we all get on the same page with that
Siouxsie Sioux
3k users?
Merari (Merari)
We're not going to actually ban anyone
Siouxsie Sioux
and giving them a big platform
Siouxsie Sioux
i can be serious about not caring about a tiny sub
Merari (Merari)
Susan, actualwomen are TERF's. bigots. And you cannot possible be serious about homophobia being perfectly fine
Siouxsie Sioux
we should pick our fucking battles ffs
Siouxsie Sioux
the sub is not explicitly a hate sub
Siouxsie Sioux
plus
Siouxsie Sioux
i'd never heard of them before i saw it in the sidebar
Siouxsie Sioux
we are giving a sub like that a spotlight by acknowledging them
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Yeah get rid
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I just texted with the NPR guy. He's interested in this. They can't book me a studio til next week cause stupid hurricaine.
dubteedub (dub)
it looks bad for us
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Dont understand why a discord was made
dubteedub (dub)
yeah, but if people join it and see a stream of slurs then they will assume we endorse it
n8 (n8)
I banned a few people earlier
WorseThanHipster
Let them stay. Let them turn it into their hidey hole. It's a good opportunity to troll, AND it shows how lack of moderation inevitably leads to this bullshit, even/especially when it's counter to the commmunities purpose.
WorseThanHipster
oh god that nerd.
dubteedub (dub)
@ShaneH7646 so can we shut down the discord now? You are adding hate users to the "trusted" role
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I should sticky them in ahs
dubteedub (dub)
n8 (n8)
yeah I mean, it's right there in the sub name
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
*Actual*Women. There it is
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I just gave it a look they welcome all queer people except trans. Yeah fuck them
n8 (n8)
> If you were born male but "identify as" a woman, you are not allowed.
n8 (n8)
it says in their sidebar that their sister sub is /r/gender_critical
WorseThanHipster
speak for yourself :smiling_imp:
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Oh is it? I have never looked at it. It's not in my radar
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
But srsly, it's just a prank. No one is going to go on a mass banning spree
n8 (n8)
I'm pretty sure that /r/actualwomen is a terf/anti-trans subreddit.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Fuck her snowmab then
Siouxsie Sioux
send her that
Siouxsie Sioux
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Ok
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Ah
Siouxsie Sioux
i've sent joy a link to this place like 50 times
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Ate you a slackmin here? Someone needs to add joy
Siouxsie Sioux
i might leave if any person in this sub tries to push to make it "real" again
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Hell yes your snowmab is banned
Siouxsie Sioux
?
Siouxsie Sioux
you guys want to ban me
Siouxsie Sioux
well i'm in this sub because i like meta drama
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Snowmab
Siouxsie Sioux
memo
Siouxsie Sioux
someone needs to give them the memeo
Siouxsie Sioux
i saw shane and merari talking about it
Siouxsie Sioux
oh
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Calm down Susan it's a prank. We're not banning anyone
Siouxsie Sioux
this here: are these people not allowed to be against something that was only recently legalized
WorseThanHipster
I agree it's a little late for taking this thing literally.
Siouxsie Sioux
if something happens there that is tolerated, it sure as fuck isn't obvious by looking at it
Siouxsie Sioux
because it's only women? nothing in the sidebar indicates hatred
Siouxsie Sioux
how the fuck is it a hate group
Siouxsie Sioux
who cares about this sub
Siouxsie Sioux
wtf
Siouxsie Sioux
you guys have this sub on the sidebar of banout :
Siouxsie Sioux
because from where i'm standing, the problems with /r/drama are entirely personal in nature yet you're wanting to drop a nuclear bomb on them because they were mean in discord and hurt gallowboob's feelings. We are going to punish 80k of the people who are actually interested in reddit and the meta aspects from using the site because they dared to find entertainment value in meta drama
Siouxsie Sioux
maybe just block /r/drama? or use that masstagger thing and ban people who are being mean in your subs
Siouxsie Sioux
and subreddits with 10mil+ subscribers sure as fuck aren't your personal army either
Siouxsie Sioux
but we aren't your personal army
Siouxsie Sioux
sorry drama was mean to you personally
Siouxsie Sioux
for what
Siouxsie Sioux
and who are we banning? You'd like to ban 400k people to hopefully hurt the feelings of 100
Siouxsie Sioux
adding saferbot to a default is a truly dumb idea
Siouxsie Sioux
ever.
Siouxsie Sioux
but i'm never going to be a +1 for the_donald or cringeanarchy
Siouxsie Sioux
i only ever agreed to saferbot for milliondollarextreme
Siouxsie Sioux
none of my subs will be banning people for posting in r/drama
Siouxsie Sioux
i thought we were trolling
Siouxsie Sioux
are you guys really thinking of getting actual subs to do your bidding?
Siouxsie Sioux
yes
Siouxsie Sioux
WorseThanHipster
i think avoid "tired" "fed up" language if possible, it will come off as whiney/weak
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
It shouldn't make you install anything if you're on your Google account
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
@Meari if you have Android just install this. Or make a Google account if you don't have one
WorseThanHipster
gib :b:ulitzer
WorseThanHipster
~think they are more important than everyone else~ care a lot about the community and ~want to impose their wants onto the rest of reddit~ want to ensure that as diverse of agroup as possible are able to benefit from and contribute to reddit.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Got to go. IRL calls. I'll be away.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
contributing portion of reddit's userbase, the ones who light a candle rather than curse the darkness
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
@Siouxsie Sioux are you a slackmin here?
WorseThanHipster
~who spend too much time on the internet~ core content creators and curators
Merari (Merari)
I click on open with and the only option is to connect more apps. So I can't read that I don't think
Merari (Merari)
This google doc thing wants me to "connect more apps" whatever the hell that means
WorseThanHipster
~a bunch of very whiney entitled mellenials~ A vocal portion of reddit's userbase
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
That why our statement is that we have lives, families, are active in our communities, don't have time to deal with astroturfers and bullies 24/7 and are fighting back
WorseThanHipster
Try rewording that narrative into a positive spin, it helps understand how to counter it.
Merari (Merari)
Ok sent
WorseThanHipster
no no, you disagree that every paragraph that isn't peppered with slurs is a waste of time, so you're a mellenial
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Hmmm I'm almost 50, so not a mellenial
Merari (Merari)
It's still not opening
WorseThanHipster
The story is going to be "a bunch of very whiney entitled mellenials who spend too much time on the internet think they are more important than everyone else and want to impose their wants onto the rest of reddit"
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Sure
Merari (Merari)
If I PM you my statement could you add it for me please, Gabbi?
Merari (Merari)
ugh
WorseThanHipster
Instead of "wants" try "simply wish" "basic needs"
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
:this:
WorseThanHipster
instead of "i" "we" try "(users/mods) throughout reddit" etc...
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Yes
Merari (Merari)
My google account? Like gmail?
WorseThanHipster
how to ban someone from slack channel?
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
you savage
Merari (Merari)
I dont even have chrome
WorseThanHipster
overall critiques: use more populist language, avoid "I" and "we".
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Use Chrome. Login to your google account in Chrome. Use link above. Open doc titled Boilerplate. It's only one in there.
Merari (Merari)
How do I add to it?
Merari (Merari)
How do I open it?
Merari (Merari)
I dont actually know how that google drive thing works
WorseThanHipster
i came here to troll not to scroll
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Scroll up @WorseThanHipster
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I've met goldg1sh. He has a snoo sticker on his guitar.
WorseThanHipster
can see?
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
He is from NC
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Added my statement to the Boilerplate Doc in Shared drive
WorseThanHipster
that could be it
phedre (phedre)
He’s a nutcase.
WorseThanHipster
I keep thinking he's dutch for some reason.
WorseThanHipster
he's american isn't he?
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Fuck him. He equivalated being red headed with being trans. Thats when I said fuck you.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
And yeah goldf1sh
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Oh crap its active. Lol.
WorseThanHipster
ugh, go1dfish
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Wth do me a favour and post that to reclassified
WorseThanHipster
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
cojoco runs r/bannedsubs but idk how up do date it is
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I've got r/reclassified but people stopped updating it
n8 (n8)
I was hoping there would be something for banned ones, too :disappointed:
n8 (n8)
I know there's a which shows all the new subreddits. It's how I found this one:
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Sunday tops
Merari (Merari)
its the absolute max
Merari (Merari)
yes
WorseThanHipster
3 days is an eternity on Reddit
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
We are going The Colbert Show Serious-Humor route.
Merari (Merari)
We should not delay for longer than about three days, tops
Merari (Merari)
Not trolling
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
@phedre I'm inland so not that bad. Still torrential rain, floods, downed trees, power outages
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
We have decided on the spokespeople and working on a statement.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
No
WorseThanHipster
wait so are you guys trolling the reporter too or coming clean?
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Gives us time to get the message down
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I helped start it. It was to prevent them from reorganizing when they got banned. I did the CSS. There was a little pop up puppy doggo. And hilarious modmail with chuckspears pitching a hissy fit.
n8 (n8)
is there a list of banned subs somewhere that auto-updates?
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
We can putt Matt (reporter) off for a few days due to IRL stuff
phedre (phedre)
How bad are you being hit?
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
niggersrebooted was a dead sub so kinda a hollow victory, but Ill take it
phedre (phedre)
Yeah and you being safe is a lot more important than this.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
What they banned that?! It was about puppies. Wtf
n8 (n8)
hopefully more to come? seems like an easy decision to pull the trigger on that one, though.
n8 (n8)
yup
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
We will collaborate the mission boiler plate, run it by Shane, then hit the journo. Fair warning. I'm about to be hurricained so I may loose power for a couple days.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
This one was banned today
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
phedre (phedre)
It’s just exposing us to even more shit.
Merari (Merari)
yes
phedre (phedre)
I’ll also say once this goes out we are going to be overrun by trolls and haters so can we please get the ability to ban and modmail mute? Idgaf about being able to add or remove people but I don’t like the idea of having to wait for someone to wake up if we get a troll.
Merari (Merari)
Theyre going to claim victory no matter what. But we can make them look silly for doing so
phedre (phedre)
Yeah I’d say that’s a good point.
Merari (Merari)
We must pre-empt that
Merari (Merari)
Redditors are going to figure out no more bans are coming. Then they will claim victory
Merari (Merari)
The presser should be soon, before we lose the momentum
WorseThanHipster
shoobs
n8 (n8)
lol
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Ass :stuck_out_tongue:
n8 (n8)
that's why I said "nice meme"
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
ty ty
n8 (n8)
look at the url
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Good pull
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
..dammit!
n8 (n8)
@GabbiKat you got tricked by @Br00ce that sub wasn't actually banned.
WorseThanHipster
woot, when’s the presser?
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Ofc you can speak
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Of course
Merari (Merari)
ys
WorseThanHipster
im out of adhd meds and kinda hungover can i speak?
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Who's a slackmin of this channel? Someone add joy
saydie (maybesaydie)
Hi bby
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Hi @saydie (maybesaydie)!
saydie (maybesaydie)
OH wow, more bans.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
We know. Past that now. Working on a boiler plate statement.
saydie (maybesaydie)
We can't do a blackout. They were very clear after the last one.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I blew them off, but then they were banned
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Just some offshoots. But one was kinda old
WorseThanHipster
I like bans :smiling_imp:
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
See modmail
WorseThanHipster
What bans?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
whats happening now?
Merari (Merari)
Which subs?
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Hi Saydie <3
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
again, today.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Holy Shit. There are bans going on NOW
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Aw she's not even in this channel at all
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
@Not_Your_Cister
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
She might want to go under @Not_your_cister
Merari (Merari)
She's not. The notyour account isn't either
Merari (Merari)
@joy
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Is joy here? We should add her is shes not
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Lol they don't give a damn about anything except the mattress stuffed with money that spez sleeps on
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
so lets make them, is my point
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Admins dont give a damn about harassment
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
And then run it by Shane before it goes public
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
yep
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Ok
phedre (phedre)
Ok.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Awesome. So phed, n8, meari, me and Gabbi will will collaborate on a narrative?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I tend to be the type to bring people together. I observer others skills a lot more than people know.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Meari and myself are also pretty good. We could all collaborate and then Shane could vet it
phedre (phedre)
I’m ok with helping with cleaning up language. Just stick it all in a google doc and we can share it with the relevant people, would probably be easiest.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
^
Merari (Merari)
Phedre is excellent at compiling. OOTL sticky threads are always great
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
@phedre and @phedre are both great at doing write ups. I nominate them to help clear up the boiler plate statement.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I started it because of the harassment r/Drama and other similar subreddits were giving out. I want the admins to take action on that, instead of ignoring reports and sitewide rule violations. I would like the admins to do better effectively.
Merari (Merari)
That's what bardfinn wrote
Merari (Merari)
The central narrative that these jerks like to exploit is a cycle: That they're the Victim, and the Rescuer, and that the targets of their hate are Their Persecutors and the Persecutors of Everyone /r/TheBanout2018 is a troll to take the air out of that narrative, to show that they're just clownshoes and not anyone's Victims, and not anyone's Rescuers, and are actually abusive predators.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
We need to compose a boilerplate.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Yes Gabbi. I could possibly get this on NPR if I can weed it into the conversation but I need to know what to say
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Then we need the other spokespeople to do the same. Then bring it together so we have a solid statement.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I need to know your thoughts as to why this was started, why we are doing it, and what we hoped to achieve. If it is living up to your expectations or do you desire more. How you feel about the ADMINS, and Reddit as a platform. Is the Alt-Right presence over blown, or worse than people know. Etc etc.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Shane, what do you want our main message to be?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
ah
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Atlanta
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
ATL?
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Just PM/DM me or Modmal me
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
And if anyone needs IT work in ATL there is a project starting Oct 1st that a recruiter reached out to me about this morning. You need good CS skills along with IT skills.
Merari (Merari)
That would be good for the optics part of it
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
And I really want you there too. Even if you don't want to speak
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Thank you Shane
Merari (Merari)
Thank you
Merari (Merari)
As do I. I want this to work to our advantage
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
alright then
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I promise Merari will stay on topic/our line of spin.
Merari (Merari)
@Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn) had a really good spin just now
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Merari has worked hard on all this along with n8
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I want Shane involved too. He stated this.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
But, we need to settle on a statement.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Back. Merari has my vote. He will stay on topic.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Well I'm already public and long past being doxxed. I've been interviewed a bunch. I dont mind doing whatever
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Whats wrong with merari talking?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
well yeah written, but if they arent going to be actually speaking to the guy, there no point in event speaking to him in anyway
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
And if anyone wants to speak through dumbsford I'm.more than happy to do it.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I meant written
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
well, if hes going to speaking the guy it would likely be over voice, which cant be vetted
phedre (phedre)
Anyway back on topic I’m on board with n8, gabbi, and official tdumbs speaking.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
@ShaneH7646 you always vet mearis statements in advance
n8 (n8)
oh nice. also there's a blueq not too far from me.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Yeah I ordered them the other day then made it an avatar
phedre (phedre)
BlueQ. I have a bunch of them. They’re sassy.
Merari (Merari)
I've worked harder on this initiative than perhaps anyone
n8 (n8)
lol really, they're socks? where'd you get them? I bet my kids would love socks with little pigs on them.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Oh no shit @phedre! I ordered them.
phedre (phedre)
Random unrelated side note: I have those socks in your image. Just thought it was funny.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I'm going to eat lunch y'all. Been on LinkedIn and FB hooking friends up with IT work in ATL. Taking a break.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
yeah, you n8, gabbi are good
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
You're talking about meari?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
sorry, I dont really trust you're going to say what we've come to an agreement on
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I defer to Shane and N8. They are the start of this. I can assist, but I leave it up to the Senior Mods who started this movement.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Elaborate pls
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Wow Shane
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I dont particularly want you speaking
Merari (Merari)
Dumbs and Gabbi are mature, strong and have experience with the press. N8 is knowledgable on this issue and I turn a mean spin. I think we four are qualified
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Im gonna operate as cherry, but the dumbsford account is valuable real estate. If we want to speak
n8 (n8)
oh yeah, I've been yee-hawing across reddit for the past 2 months or so.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
That was the cake, this is the icing
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
N8, you stirred them up with the FWR stuff.
n8 (n8)
I"ve been getting PMd and userpings nonstop since I posted phase 1.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I woke up to an angry in box. On both accounts. That's success right there
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
So. Now that we seem on the same page, and not in fear of losing our Modship .. who to be the spokespeople.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Yes
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Anything they can do, we can do better, in high heels, at double tempo, and backwards
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Serious Humor. The Colbert Show type
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
:this:
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
AHS has the focus on hate subreddits being a serious concern. This would be more in the vein of "raising awareness of how society can collectively learn to laugh at these jerks and leave them in their basements"
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Serious Humor. Ala The Colbert Show
Merari (Merari)
What even was that event Gabbi? There was some fun fiction on that sub and suddenly it was private
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
then lets make it seem serious
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
well, it is/was Serious
n8 (n8)
yeah, for me it's always just been about making CA/etc look stupid.
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
see this is what we achieve by making it seem entirely serious lol, phone calls and harrasing PMs
Merari (Merari)
We got them to lose their minds. They went private. They tried to make CA about tables
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Eeek
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I havent recieved many. but I did get a voicemail this morning from someone in utah, a little concerning
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Like a dozen hateful PMs
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I had way too many mentally disturbed people sending me stuff during and after the 9M9H9E9 Event
n8 (n8)
if we're just raising awareness, then I'm not sure we're bringing much to the table that AHS isn't already doing.
Merari (Merari)
I agree with tom
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I turned off PM/DMs long, long ago. Along with user name mentions.
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
I think "mods are ruining reddit" was the third comment ever made on the site, right after "subreddits are ruining reddit" and "comments are ruining reddit". You can't withhold ammo from the ammo factory
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
it should just be publicity to the issues imo and that can be achieved with a humourous ironic slant
n8 (n8)
has anyone but me been getting hateful PMs?
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
more hateful PMs, more divide between mods and users, increased "mods are ruining reddit" stance
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I stated this in the morning, before coffee. "BanOut2018 is real in the context that it was something many mods were going to perform. We are tired of Reddit not performing simple request that revolve around our safety and the health of the platform. Many other platforms have already stepped up and started removing toxic individuals, but Reddit has been inconsistent to the point of articles having to expose death threats, threats of rape, threats of swatting, and other acts of extreme violence towards its volunteer community. BanOut2018 is still underway, but it appears due to recent high visibility articles Reddit Admins are now taking our complaints to heart and performing long overdue "house cleaning" to protect their user base, moderators, and revenue stream."
n8 (n8)
like what do you consider to be "worse"?
n8 (n8)
or rather, what does that look like
n8 (n8)
how do you make matters worse, though.
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
as serious it won't achieve anything but making matters worse
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
if we spin it as himour, the hate subs take it as such, effectively ending all of this. it needs to faced as serious imo
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Good
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Spin it as the ADMINS see our Slack rants, Shane created the sub for visibility, and things cascaded. No user bans, but leave it on the table that we are going to be more serious with hate speech users.
dubteedub (dub)
I take the banout 100% unseriously
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
IBiteyou melts down every hour on the hour
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Ok, so we do the humour spin
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
Justify bans that occur as a necessity due to our legitimate concerns over avoiding potential liability from being associated with the reasonably foreseeable speech / behaviour of the jerks
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
I think it should be more obvious you are BSing tbh, to the extent it's funny. right now it's just making matters faaaaaar worse
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Screw the admins. We've already pissed off the shitty users. Ibiteyou melted down yesterday. Let's just keep doing that
n8 (n8)
right now we're just pretending to be some sort of shadowy group that actually somehow has the ability to ban subreddits. a lot of users are fully aware that we're just BSing, though.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Not user bans
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
So, we spin it as actually sub banning. What is going on already.
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
it's not like it was a serious community, all users there knew something like that was going to happen
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Hmmm
n8 (n8)
yeah, it's just thanos memes
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
that was the entire point of TDNW right
n8 (n8)
TDNW was random bans, though, and everyone was in on it for the gag. this is kinda different.
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
the admins won't do shit if we demand things, you're just going to make matters worse and increase the hateful messages we already get
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
They just did /r/thanosdidnothingwrong, so the rationale that they can't do that kind of thing because of the overhead and work is now off the table
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
So, not a mass banning, but a slow banning of the worst users?
n8 (n8)
the admins won't let us hold their website hostage, that much is clear.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
Shitheads were taking it seriously yesterday. I was impressed
Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn)
The reason mass bans piss off the Reddit Admins is because of the computational expense and overhead it places on running Reddit.
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
What action would that achieve Shane?
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Drat
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
admins made rules so that another blackout couldnt happen
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
even if we dont end up following through, I think it should be face as if we are going to
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
But I think that pissed off the Admins last time?
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
Just reading the conversation before I got vibes maybe it was being taken seriously
Br00ce (Send Nudes)
we cant
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
But we could do a BlackOut 2018
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Stunt
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I hope it's not serious. I hope it's a stunt to raise awareness.
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
I can't see how a banout in reality will help whatsoever. You'll just get demodded by admins most likely and your actions reversed, and just extend the divide and hatred we already get as mods. I can't see it as a solution unless it's used ironically, and clearly ironically. Having it as an actual plan is fucking stupid for 99% of subreddits. You're going to alienate users on the fence who have maybe gone to argue a bit against regular users in hate subs. I can't tell if all of this is serious at this point but there is no way defaults will take part and I really hope you wouldn't take part with any serious community. Hence me demodding myself once I saw this was maybe going to be an actual thing.
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I'm gonna be on npr talking about Reddit. I could possible work this into the conversation
dubteedub (dub)
@ShaneH7646 can you close the discord, it is an absolutely terrible idea
dubteedub (dub)
hi @phedre
dubteedub (dub)
@dubteedub has joined the channel
n8 (n8)
@dubteedub
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
With promise he gets first scoop
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
See screenshots above. I have Matt on my LinkedIn and in a holding pattern
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
to get the admins to actually see it and speak to us/do something
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
I mean I read something about talking to a journo. What is your goal there?
n8 (n8)
whatever you're looking to accomplish, you'll want to at least steer the conversation in that direction.
n8 (n8)
what sort of goal are you hoping to accomplish, as a result of talking to Vice?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
how do you mean?
(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream
@ShaneH7646 what are you trying to do with the journo? I'm catching up here
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I know Shane stated this was serious, and that is what I am deferring to him. I know N8 is the most well spoken here. There are far better writers here to be our face than me.
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@saydie (maybesaydie)
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
hello
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GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I'm just more public/doxxed a bit more
Merari (Merari)
Gabbi is probably most qualified of all of us to wrangle this
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
See, even he knows
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
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n8 (n8)
I thought everyone was already in here. I'm just going to go through the whole list.
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GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Realisticly we would not have been breaking TOS for a ban out. It is in our rights as volunteer mods to ban someone for any reason. Plus with articles in the public now about what we put up with the press is sympathetic.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
If we present this in a realistic way, in that we were starting a movement and the mods went ahead with sub bans we show a human face for everyone involved. If we mention we want tools and have been begging for them.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Merari has some good points too.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
worth a shot anyway
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
This is why they haven't stomped us yet.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
This ^
n8 (n8)
we never had any real power. the admins know this, and that's why they don't care. if defaults start adding saferbot to their subs, then the admins have tools they can use to counter it. they'll either ratelimit saferbot, or just ban it, or actually move forward giving mods the tools we've been asking for. or ignore it entirely, since mods can ban for whatever reason we like.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
It's serious, as when Shane started it. But it is also becoming a bit of a troll-circle jerk. The big rudders need to steer it the direction they want. That means Shane, N8, Susie, Saydie, etc. I'm for serious, but circlejerk the other stuff in private for fun.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
But if they wanted they could have shut this down already. But haven't
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Yeah, they won't approach us in SLACK. Too worried about leaks
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
just had a mod of a 30k and 10k sub say hes interested. these may be small but they add up
Merari (Merari)
Yes. It's not a lie but it does spin in our advantage
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
which didnt work too well but some things got done
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
^This could very easily work as aswell as the blackout
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
They also see all the shit going on with Alex Jones and such
n8 (n8)
not even a "hey what's the thought process here? what are you concerns?"?
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
We did Blackout. They understood
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
THis ^
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
just because we hold them to ransom
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
they can't talk to us directly about banning communities
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I think they do. SODY reads our circlejerk
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
that would be unseemly
n8 (n8)
if they thought we mattered, why haven't they reached out at all?
n8 (n8)
I still very highly doubt the admins give a fuck about this sub.
n8 (n8)
> Reddit Admins are now taking our complaints to heart
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
Pretty certain I nailed it.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
This was my comment in Gen this morning. "BanOut2018 is real in the context that it was something many mods were going to perform. We are tired of Reddit not performing simple request that revolve around our safety and the health of the platform. Many other platforms have already stepped up and started removing toxic individuals, but Reddit has been inconsistent to the point of articles having to expose death threats, threats of rape, threats of swatting, and other acts of extreme violence towards its volunteer community. BanOut2018 is still underway, but it appears due to recent high visibility articles Reddit Admins are now taking our complaints to heart and performing long overdue "house cleaning" to protect their user base, moderators, and revenue stream."
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
And Matt is on my LinkedIN and waiting patiently. He stated he understands that we want to be anon due to threats.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
well, I started it to be serious
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I've done interviews in the past.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I know it started as a joke, but now it is serious.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I'm mostly caught up.
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
GB would be ideal. I know Shane started all this.
Merari (Merari)
That's great news!
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
gallowboob is also interested in helping with vice
Merari (Merari)
We have a real chance of doing something constructive here
Merari (Merari)
Please read the last few min or so
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
I'm here
GabbiKat (Gabriella)
@GabbiKat has joined the channel
Merari (Merari)
@GabbiKat
Merari (Merari)
I don't know how
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
they need to join this room
Merari (Merari)
@gabbikat
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
can she get in here?
Merari (Merari)
An experienced world news mod who knows how to handle the press
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I dont even know who gabbi is
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
nope.
Merari (Merari)
Let Gabbi, N8 and me deal with this
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
thats fine with me
Merari (Merari)
We do know. It will not work. You are attempting to go against human nature, established precedence and most importantly, financial interests
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
its never been done before, theres no way to know how it will go
Merari (Merari)
It will do the exact opposite of what you want. It will be forever claimed as the time the hatesphere scored a massive victory
Merari (Merari)
It won't work
Merari (Merari)
Why are you being like this?
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
susan is not all of the default subs
Merari (Merari)
Susan has already vetoed it
Merari (Merari)
They will not
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
if defaults see this going somewhere they may get on board
Merari (Merari)
Then you accomplish nothing except a win for the haters
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I dont care if the admins demod me.
Merari (Merari)
No default sub will allow this. Admins will demod us. Listen to me. A banout will not work. It will be counter productive
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
if you dont want to do it then dont, noone is forcing you too
Merari (Merari)
That's a medium sized sub
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I already have a couple 100k+ subs on board, which is why I'm reconsidering
n8 (n8)
all in all, the admins probably won't demod us, but none of the subs will allow it. even the subs that were using saferbot were starting to see mods turning against it.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I dont particularly care
Merari (Merari)
You have to be realistic. We can do some real good here. We already have. We have them scared
Merari (Merari)
It won't happen. No large subs will allow it. Admins will demod us
Merari (Merari)
We are on the same page. We need to use this to benefit us and we need to tell the truth
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I started it with no political motivations to get the admins to take actions on r/Drama breaking site wide rules and harassing people on a regular basis. I'm still completely okay with doing a mass ban.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
until we are all on the same page about what this is, I dont want anyone speaking to him
Merari (Merari)
Or slack
Merari (Merari)
It would be best to get this man in a chat channel like discord so that about three people can play on each others strengths and provide a comprehensive, truthful narrative that aids this iniative
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
sure, if you oversimplify everything
Merari (Merari)
We are on the same page. All of us want to combat the infestation of bad faith participants on reddit who harass and threaten people
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
its not an us if we arent on the same page though
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
but one person responding
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
multiple interviews can be done later with multiple people
Merari (Merari)
Then you will hurt us
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
one person to talk now merari
Merari (Merari)
Ideally also not just one person. Two or three
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I dont want to spin it, I'm gonna tell him how it is
Merari (Merari)
Not Shane. Sorry, but you won't be able to spin it
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
cool yea, just like he said everyone is contacting him all over lol
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
shane this is your deal, I nominate you
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
which is what I'm trying to do haha
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
a single spokesperson.. to get on message and arrange interviews if that's what we so choose
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
we need a spokesperson
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
well, I started this as completely unpolitical, with r/Drama
phedre (phedre)
@phedre has joined the channel
n8 (n8)
@phedre
Merari (Merari)
If hatespeech is political then one party is evil and I'm fine with that. We don't have to make it political. If they will then that's out of our hands
n8 (n8)
they're mostly just calls for violence at this point, but it generally stays in house.
Merari (Merari)
Give them the truth, but while being truthful spin it in a way that's advantageous
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
hatespeech = making it political
n8 (n8)
TD stopped actively brigading and harassing like a year ago.
Merari (Merari)
We can definitely make this work. Go out with a bang
Merari (Merari)
And hatespeech
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I dont want the admins to ban every right leaning subreddit, I want them to take a stand and help with anti brigading and harassment
Merari (Merari)
We keep it apolitical, frame it as standing up against hate and if people connect dots then so be it
Merari (Merari)
Yes, I agree.
Merari (Merari)
Yes
Merari (Merari)
That could be advantageous in that it doesn't immediately give people a hook for attacking us
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
if people read alt right, they'll just see it as a political thing and not what it actually is
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
and it goes along with that endgadget thing
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
sticking to calling it brigading and harassment is good
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
i like shane's thing.. if people choose to read between the lines and see it as an altright thing (by looking at the subs banned) then that's up to them
Merari (Merari)
This kind of hate is not bipartisan
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
again, this isnt a political statement.
Merari (Merari)
They made it political. There are actual neo-Nazis running for GOP office. A GOP politician proudly shouted she'd mace trans women in the bathroom
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
they are not the same thing... not all racists and transphobics are alt right nazis
Merari (Merari)
Same thing. These are the people who claim we won't allow their political opinion when we say they can't be racist or transphobic
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
hate, harassment and brigading
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
not the alt right though, hate
Merari (Merari)
These people claim their hate is just their political opinion
Merari (Merari)
It is political. We're standing up against hate
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
it was never started to be political
Merari (Merari)
We'll need good co-ordination. Admins are likely mostly through with their ban wave. We're going to fizzle out soon so we need to end it soon anyway, or risk becoming a joke
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
but making this political is dumb
Merari (Merari)
If we're careful, use the right way of describing this, we can get a major advantage from this thing
Merari (Merari)
Gabbikat
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
who is gabbi
Merari (Merari)
FPH was banned after public outrage over their doxxing
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
correction, r/WatchPeopleDie was on the chopping block. the admins definitely intervened after vices article
Merari (Merari)
And co-ordinate it so that us going public to reddit coincides with this article
Merari (Merari)
I propose N8, Gabbi and I talk to this man via a live chat system like slack or discord
Merari (Merari)
We gain nothing by lying to him or telling him it's all a big joke
n8 (n8)
which subreddits has vice taken down?
Merari (Merari)
In a way that is both truthful and works to our advantage
Merari (Merari)
I can spin this
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
vice articles have had subreddits taken down in the past
n8 (n8)
there are hundreds of people willing to step up and do our janitorial work on every single subreddit on this website. the admins don't give a fuck about us, we're super replaceable.
Merari (Merari)
And that's what this is, isn't it? A deliberate effort to take the upper hand back from the alt-right, get them on the defensive, give a morale boost to the good guys by showing them the bad guys aren't in control
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
anyway I really think this is our shot.. I'm not sure a niche story about us trolling some chuds is going to have much play in 2 weeks.. us fighting the alt-right and trying to get the admins to take action will
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
but we need to be on the same page about what this is
Merari (Merari)
But we need to be honest
n8 (n8)
sure, I don't _know_ we didn't. but I don't think that the admins would tolerate us holding their site hostage and would sooner remove us than subreddits that aren't breaking any rules.
Merari (Merari)
We don't need a spokesperson per se. We can all talk to him
Merari (Merari)
Admins will absolutely act in case of a blackout or mass ban
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
by then its blown over and he may not be interested
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
n8 like I said you don't know that we didn't have anything to do with the bans.. the admins really hate shutdowns... we are unpaid labour and a general strike is terrible for them
n8 (n8)
I still think it would be a better idea to wait until we can give a fuller story.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I wont say we did.
Merari (Merari)
Presenting any kind of false narrative is an extremely bad idea
n8 (n8)
we didn't ban anything, though. the admins did that all on their own, we simply capitalized on the timing.
Merari (Merari)
Then we tell him that
Merari (Merari)
Tell him the literal truth. This is taking the iniative back from the alt right and improving morale for those acting in good faith
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I wouldnt be lieing, the original idea was to mass ban, we dont think its feasable but its not completely off the table
Merari (Merari)
We must not lie to this man
n8 (n8)
in like a week or so. I don't think the admins are going to ban any more subs for a long time.
Merari (Merari)
Guys, media attention in the past has shown it can get admins to act.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
that actually sounds like a good idea
n8 (n8)
I still think it would be funny to create 5 or 6 fake subs, have them all go private and then have the Banout take credit for taking down more subs.
Merari (Merari)
If we stick to the whole truth we'll look much better.
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
which may or may not have pushed the admins to act more quickly
Merari (Merari)
We have done good
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
and the sub did create a lot of awareness
Merari (Merari)
And we can tell him taht. And then tell him we realised it wasn't feasable, but we could still use the iniative to do some good
n8 (n8)
the original idea was to mass ban. it just won't work because most sub teams won't go along with it.
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
i understand not wanting to lie but I don't think it's even that necessary to do so
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
the idea was originaly to mass abn though
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
I thought the idea was originally to mass ban though
Merari (Merari)
Don't tell him things that are not true. We can tell him the idea was never to mass ban, but to create awareness
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
they arent though, they perfectly happy laughing at us
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
we don't know we didn't tbh
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
well, we wont lie about those. if he asks I'll say we didnt actually have anything to do with them
Merari (Merari)
We are doing something. We have the alt right on the defensive. theyre freaking out. Going private
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
he would probably couch the language though
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
and if he chooses to draw a concrete correlation between the bans and our activities then he is also a bad journalist for this reason
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
all the mods that I added to the subreddit today and xmikee are also on board with doing something
Merari (Merari)
I strongly advise against lying to him
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
exactly
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
To be honest, I'm still on board for doing this so I wouldnt be lieing
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
tfw no spinnythonk
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
also would it really be lies in the first place :thinking_face:
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
also it's a good story regardless and the truth would come out in the end
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
being lied to is part of a journalist's life.. if they are presenting what we are saying as gospel truth instead of what we are saying then they are a bad journalist
n8 (n8)
I'm not a fan of lying to someone who makes his living writing articles. Let's wait until this blows over a bit, and then say that we were just stirring the pot.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
>>replies anyway
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
>please dont responde yet until we are all on the same page
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
indeed, which is why I think we should speak to him and say we are serious
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
after this is over and it comes out that we were mostly memeing there will be no interest
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
suggest striking while the iron is hot
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
This is legit, we need to all be on the same page before we respond to him further
Siouxsie Sioux
it has content from 4chan but it's not a mean sub and it doesn't brigade other subs
Siouxsie Sioux
that's dumb
Siouxsie Sioux
you guys really think r/4chan should be banned
Merari (Merari)
And riemann behind the scenes
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
pretty sure its just jerry right?
Merari (Merari)
Well, we have drama mods on board with us who think this whole thing is just hilarious. They like to troll their own usebase just as much as they like to troll everyone else. They're very 14
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
in fact, it was the firstone on the list
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
its on the list for the same reason r/The_Donald is
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
r/Drama isnt on the list for the same reason r/4Chan is
Merari (Merari)
Insinuating that these "researchers" are not nutjobs
Merari (Merari)
>The Great Awakening subreddit served as an informal platform for followers of the Q Anon movement, as well as for other independent researchers.
Merari (Merari)
The language used here is hilarious
Merari (Merari)
Merari (Merari)
If anyone at any time wants a sub they mod or have affinity with taken off, no problem
Merari (Merari)
We also have drama people on board
Merari (Merari)
It is a personal reason. 4chan is on the list for the same reason drama is, to make the troll sphere extremely confused
Siouxsie Sioux
4chan is on the list and isn't a hate sub plus 3 of us mod there
Siouxsie Sioux
That seems like a pretty personal reason
Merari (Merari)
Who put LSC on the list? I very much do not want them on there. Not after the lengths I had to go through to get them to unban Belle.
Siouxsie Sioux
He was
n8 (n8)
I don't see ghostise in there
Merari (Merari)
If ghostise still needs in tomorrow when I'm on a pc I'll add him. If I can. I haven't so much as looked at that channel yet
Siouxsie Sioux
Uh
Merari (Merari)
Shrug emoji
Siouxsie Sioux
Who is running it
Merari (Merari)
I don't do discord
Siouxsie Sioux
As a discord mod
Siouxsie Sioux
@phedre or @Merari can you add ghostise
Merari (Merari)
Yep
Siouxsie Sioux
Topminds is pretty bad with brigading
Merari (Merari)
A thought just struck me. With the recent banwaves, how worried should we be about subs like fuckthealtright and topminds?
jackson1442
mostly for memeing it seems
jackson1442
discord is public
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
how many discussion places do we need?
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Discord? Whats the point when we have this to communicate and modmail
jackson1442
wtf mod me
tom (muchredditlesstime) (MuchRedditLessTime)
I'm half tempted to join back into all of this on an alt :thinking_face:
Merari (Merari)
Another one bites the dust
Merari (Merari)
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Please ping me to be modded on the discord
Merari (Merari)
Ice poseidon I believe is a troll effort. They're trying to get us to put that on the list so they can go "haha" at us. I checked out the sub. It doesn't look all that bad to me. The sheer volume of people contacting us about it is immediately suspicious
n8 (n8)
n8 (n8)
it's working:
n8 (n8)
i'm not worried, they've been trying for a while.
n8 (n8)
I saw that dox thing too.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Yeah he is a shitty person from what i gather and has sent his followers to attack people etc. But im OOTL
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
n8 (n8)
was ice_posideon ever on the sidebar? I have a bunch of people PMing me for some reason.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
PHASE 3 IS LIVE
n8 (n8)
these threads won't have any useful discussion at all. even the way it was it was a trainwreck of removed comments. at least this way there's a) something funny to look at and b) other people will see that they need to comment a specific phrase.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
@phedre maybe just have it pm
n8 (n8)
I'm just undecided if it's better to put them under the sword of damocles and have them sweat it out for a month, or make them panic by saying Phase 3 is starting
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
sure
n8 (n8)
also what do you guys think about putting GA under phase 3 and say that we're moving forward sooner than anticipated?
n8 (n8)
n8 (n8)
@Siouxsie Sioux way ahead of you
n8 (n8)
thanks man. if you come up with a better thing to have it say than "I fully support banout 2018" let me know, I just kinda threw that in on the fly, but it seems to work ok.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
okay
Siouxsie Sioux
@phedre
Siouxsie Sioux
n8 (n8)
if their comments/links are just going to get removed manually anyway, what's the difference?
n8 (n8)
@ShaneH7646 seriously, you've been removing comments all day. let me just set up some stuff with automod so you can focus on something else. we can make the comment do something different but all they're doing is shitting up the sub. the comments will still be there under the /comments tab for documentation anyway.
n8 (n8)
who removed /r/pewdiepie anyway
Siouxsie Sioux
if they dont stop sending me ice poseiden stuff
Siouxsie Sioux
Oh ok
n8 (n8)
@Siouxsie Sioux oh, ok. I'd forgotton that I was looking for a source. someone also posted it here:
Siouxsie Sioux
@phedre 4chan mod server
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Sounds good, Jackson
Merari (Merari)
I have a rl obligation this evening and won't be on reddit for a few hours starting 20 minutes from now
Merari (Merari)
@ShaneH7646 Trust @phedre He has experience with the reddit troll sphere and knows how to handle them
n8 (n8)
siouxs, where'd you find that? I'm making bookmarks of banout related stuff
n8 (n8)
n8 (n8)
here's a small scale version of the exact same thing all over again:
Siouxsie Sioux
wtf
Siouxsie Sioux
tfw they didnt give me a red line
Siouxsie Sioux
n8 (n8)
yeah, that comic is pretty good, i've had it bookmarked for a while.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
At the end of your post
jackson1442
I thought it was pretty funny tbh
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
That tl;dr meme is golden. Perfectly explains it
jackson1442
I still don’t get why people were so set off by your comment on NTO @phedre
n8 (n8)
the takeaway is that they suddenly started caring about racism against white people, which is practically non-existant, but never said jack shit about racism against any minorities.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
I don't want you to get put on blast bcs of it. But I doubt the journalists can't see past "mayo racism" being purposeful trolling. The audiences won't. That's for sure.
n8 (n8)
reddit's hand isn't going to be forced.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
I haven't checked man. If you are happy to see this go public I can do.
jackson1442
hey all-- since you’re looking at trying to force reddit’s hand with this kind of thing, figured I’d go ahead and bring this up 10thTARDIS and I are starting a site, where we plan to organize some of the more serious mod things that we want to happen- first and foremost, harassment. If this seems interesting, lmk
n8 (n8)
plus "tag white people with a jar of mayo icon"? anyone with a sense of humor saw right through what I was doing.
n8 (n8)
racist against people who don't ever actually have to deal with racism maybe.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
And if you go to them saying you trolled them, it sounds like you were asking for it
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
The response was over the top but not completely unexpected
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
The problem with that is that you came off as genuinely racist.
n8 (n8)
did you ever try to see if anyone was interested in the writeup about racism on my profile? I might reach out to a few outlets on my own.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
I am not sending this or contacting any media though. You guys can ping me when you're ready / if you want to.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
I have not looked into it at all. Just realising it today at this instant. But I have contacts with Engadet / Vice / a few smaller outlets and local news in the US in a few areas. They can definitely find interest in this if we draft a simple tl;dr along the "We attempted to troll the toxic reddit subs and threaten to filter them out and this was the response to culling the hateful communities / censoring / banning / (whatever wording you want to use)"
n8 (n8)
let me do my thing and then there will still be a slew of stuff to document to send to the media.
n8 (n8)
the writeup for this will be comparable to the racism thing I have on my profile. possibly on an even bigger scale.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Not sure yet, but it's a better idea than just baiting them for no reason
n8 (n8)
is it simply going to be "look how some subreddits brigade" because I don't think this is going to be news to anyone.
n8 (n8)
has anyone expressed interest?
n8 (n8)
and which media outlets are you going to?
n8 (n8)
so what are you going to document exactly?
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
But yeah 10/10 can't bait people purposely then ticket it to admins. Just fuck admins for this.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Admins don't give a fuck, the doccumentation isn't for them
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Every outlet would eat it up.
n8 (n8)
it's the same response when we spam someone in modmail, then they spam us back and we go crying to the admins. they tell us to stfu because the mods started it.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Of how you can play with toxic reddit.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
^
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Documentation for media not admins. imo
n8 (n8)
"hey admins, we set up a bait sub and they brigaded us!" admins: "so the fuck what, it's a bait sub."
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
> inbox is blowing up with nonsense and death threats. I know you don't care and actually laugh it out, which i respect since you're anon and would dp the same in your shoes, but stay safe ffs.
n8 (n8)
it's not good documentation, though. the whole point is that this is a bait sub, the admins aren't stupid.
n8 (n8)
the brigading won't continue indefinitely, and you're just giving yourself extra work and my inbox is blowing up with nonsense and death threats.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Would definitely cool off 90% of the aggro since all they look at is the mod list.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Even if my vote is moot, I like Nate's approach and if it's putting too much pressure on you as top mod, get back in on the lower list.
n8 (n8)
also you asked me to keep the Thanksgiving date, so I came up with a fake date of halloween and made it look like that was our original banout date.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
I want the brigading to continue, it's good doccumentation
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
I vote n8 for top mod
n8 (n8)
the admins aren't going to ban any more subs for probably a long time. we want things to go quiet for a little bit anyway.
n8 (n8)
for right now, that's the whole point. it was to keep people from shitting all over the sub while we came up with the next thing to do. we can't keep manually removing comments when we're being brigaded by 20 other subreddits.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Removing there comments bait people into commenting, but noone sees anything. Eventually people will just stop commenting if everything just gets removed
n8 (n8)
made this channel *private*. Now, it can only be viewed or joined by invitation.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Make this channel private unless you don't care for leaks.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
> the salt that we're generating could power a nuclear reactor at this point. LOL
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
i take it back
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
oh lmao its on there <3
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
and stop befriending the toxic kids
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
you heathen
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
add r/drama
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Bait the fuck out of these toxic users and keep them occupied
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Fair enough
n8 (n8)
nah, I'm not interested in getting admins involved in a mess that I created.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
I aint touching this though
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
Please do. They catch them coming from discords etc
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
The brigade is REAL yo. Did anyone ticket the brigade?
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
If reddit burns, all the better.
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
I wont take part in this for obvious reasons but snoo speed y'all
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
lmao holy shit
GallowBoob (GallowBoob)
n8 (n8)
if you're not comfortable with all this then how about just making me the top mod and stepping down? the salt that we're generating could power a nuclear reactor at this point. we singlehandedly turned /r/cringeanarchy into a table and chair subreddit for a day. a mod of SPS wrote a treatise. we capitalized on a coincidence and all the altright subs now are running scared. at least give me creative control here please.
n8 (n8)
you know this subreddit didn't have _anything_ to do with the other subs getting banned, right? the admins don't give a flying fuck about us.
n8 (n8)
can you at least let me run this show please?
n8 (n8)
the whole point is to bait people. why are you spending your time removing comments that you don't like? just automate them away and force them to say something funny.
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
I liked the auto mod rule
n8 (n8)
we're just messing with them at this point. the admins aren't going to do shit, and no one is going to add saferbot to all those subreddits.
n8 (n8)
@ShaneH7646 what the hell man? I thought you were going to let us run this and step away?
n8 (n8)
without the automod rule they just shit up the entire subreddit. so what if more people comment?
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Trying to explain to the clueless that FWR is NOT racist
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Can i get a little help in r/banned pls? Im being downvoted to hell and having to set a timer to reply to these people lmfao.
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Theres no point in hiding the ‘message the mod’ tab because they will just untick ‘use subreddit theme’ and continue messaging. Its what they do when you hide dv butt on set css to subscribe before voting.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Because it only Bates more people into commenting
n8 (n8)
The least you could do is leave that in to keep my inbox from filling with crap.
n8 (n8)
It was keeping the garbage out of the sub, why would you remove that?
n8 (n8)
@ShaneH7646 why did you remove the automod rule?
n8 (n8)
I can remove mail perms if you want
n8 (n8)
I don't know css well enough to hide it. Just stall or troll them or something
Siouxsie Sioux
Again with the modmail.
Merari (Merari)
@phedre They're trolling mod mail now they can't troll the sub. Is there any way at all you can slow down that process? Would it be against reddit rules to hide the link to modmail with CSS or require people who modmail to be approved contributers?
Merari (Merari)
Invite sent
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
*not knowing what’s happening.
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Can i have back in? Sorry about yesterday. I was just frustrated with what’s happening
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Jesus that’s sad lol they’re really upset
n8 (n8)
@Merari the sub isn't restricted anymore, only self posts allowed, all titles must be "I fully support banout 2018". Automod will remove everything else unless you're a mod.
n8 (n8)
n8 (n8)
goddamn this is funny
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Anyone up?
Merari (Merari)
Thank you, updated
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
just looking at the sidebar.. under phase two itsokaytobewhite is listed twice, and /r/hundredrupeememe, /r/HundredPesoPipedream are now banned
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Wowzers they’re downvoting that like hell
n8 (n8)
I'll create some title requirements later
n8 (n8)
Go for it if you want
Merari (Merari)
Tempted to appove this clever boi. Thoughts?
Merari (Merari)
>some of the "hate subs" you have listed are modded by your mods...
Merari (Merari)
Turned the sub to restricted. We're under brigade and there we're over half a dozen troll posts
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
N8 you’re hilarious
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Lol
n8 (n8)
yup, the config shoudl work now
Merari (Merari)
I think I got it now
Merari (Merari)
It's still removing my comment
n8 (n8)
reapprove it and remove automod's
Merari (Merari)
ok :slightly_smiling_face:
n8 (n8)
i have to leave, i'll catch you later
Merari (Merari)
Ah ok automod just removed my comment
n8 (n8)
just go to the automod config and put a hash mark (#) in front of the spot about mods
Merari (Merari)
Mods should be able to comment though. For now this is great. Tomorrow when I have some time to babysit the sub we could (temporarily) disable this
n8 (n8)
n8 (n8)
dw about it then
Merari (Merari)
I don't know what that means
n8 (n8)
if you want mods to comment, just comment out that one line about moderators_exempt
n8 (n8)
I just tweaked it. You can now only comment "I fully support banout 2018" without any extra shit so they can't sneak in slurs or whatever.
Merari (Merari)
@phedre You're a genius
Merari (Merari)
>Your comment was removed because it didn't include the phrase 'I fully support banout 2018'
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
lol
n8 (n8)
n8 (n8)
also I just solved our commenting problem
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
@phedre thanks man
n8 (n8)
@jerryfromtomandjerry millionshekelextreme is gone from the sidebar
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Shame
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
CA won't go either
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
I think this is it
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
naw it won't
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Hope td goes
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Wowzers
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
not sure tbh... they are still banning subs as we speak... they playing a lot of whackamole
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
How many subs were banned last night?
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
it got caught in the ban wave presumably because the top mod decided to meme too hard yesterday and the madmins thought it was being made into a replacement sub
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
turle, cherry, and quietus were all mods
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
can someone with perms please take millionshekelextreme out of the sidebar.. it was not a hate sub.. it was started by my jewish friends to shit on MDE and we used to ban anyone from there
Siouxsie Sioux
:sunglasses:
n8 (n8)
he also gave them back to the people above me.
Merari (Merari)
Because we need people with access perms to deal with the trolls
Merari (Merari)
I've given them back to everyone below me
Merari (Merari)
He only removed the perms once
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Until the head mod has a strop again and removes them
n8 (n8)
everyone got their perms back, do you want an invite?
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Ah i removed myself from that list as im fed up with the top mod messing around with perms, making it public / private etc. Its not how you run a sub its very annoying
Merari (Merari)
Not banning them would be immediately suspicious. Better to ban most but let the occasional comment through to confuse the fuck out of them
Siouxsie Sioux
they probably expect it
n8 (n8)
idk, I didn't see anyone in modmail about the ban.
Siouxsie Sioux
Oof banned duk
Siouxsie Sioux
Siouxsie Sioux
Ok
Siouxsie Sioux
Are we also banning everyone
n8 (n8)
yeah, I think you're going a bit hard on the comment removals
Siouxsie Sioux
Why are you guys removing all the comments
n8 (n8)
we're getting so many suggestions for the sidebar that we may need to add a 4th phase to accomodate them all
Merari (Merari)
Awesome :slightly_smiling_face:
n8 (n8)
I added /r/subofpeace because t hey're freaking out about MDE right now and I got userpinged
Merari (Merari)
Sidebar really looks fantastic now. They're going to freak
Merari (Merari)
Same idea as adding CA to the list, but having a CA mod on the team.
n8 (n8)
ok
Merari (Merari)
He probably is. But allowing that will confuse the hell out of these people. "Why is this allowed, but not that?"
n8 (n8)
just seemed like the guy was trying to advertise another "uncensored" sub, but I wasn't sure
n8 (n8)
Merari (Merari)
Oh that. Harmless bit of jiggerypokery. Confuse, divide and conquer
Merari (Merari)
What truespeech comments?
Siouxsie Sioux
Onionhate. Has hate right in the name
Merari (Merari)
? Example?
n8 (n8)
@Merari what's up with the "/r/truespeech" comments?
n8 (n8)
very nice. added
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
literally personally got debatechadright banned too :triumph: ... those that can't create destroy
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
lmao
n8 (n8)
check the sidebar now
n8 (n8)
I can make an update to my post in a few
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
it's in the sidebar.. do we wanna call that phase two or lump it with phase 1
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
chadright banned
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
have we discussing adding greatawakening?? I mean it's not quite like the other hate subs but i personally feel it is the most dangerous in the short term
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
all I could figure is that they are from MDE and went through our list
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
anyone else get one of these?
jerryfromtomandjerry (cakejerry)
jackson1442
sounds fun
jackson1442
ah ok
Merari (Merari)
We're telling the neo-Nazis we're going to mass ban them but it's a bit of a joke on them in order to get them to lose their minds
jackson1442
ok what’s the story here now
Merari (Merari)
We're just telling people that so they have something to freak out over
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
@phedre I wouldnt push it back a month just yet.
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
why would it?
n8 (n8)
I hope that banout thread doesn't get me suspended
Merari (Merari)
Good plan
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Plan: gain a following, come up with an actual plan later
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
It's been added
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Done
n8 (n8)
Post a link (with an alt) here:
Merari (Merari)
Merari (Merari)
Woo!
n8 (n8)
lol the announcement already took a downvote
Merari (Merari)
Who wants to post that link to the circlebroke2 thread?
n8 (n8)
the sub is public now. @Merari @ShaneH7646 you may wish to restrict submissions, or you may wish to just let people act like asses. I have to leave the computer, but I'll check back in in like an hour or so
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
It pretty sure it was go private or get banned
n8 (n8)
I changed /r/drama to "in progress"
Siouxsie Sioux
i think
Siouxsie Sioux
currently anyway
Siouxsie Sioux
they are a private sub
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
@phedre include r/drama in phase 1
Siouxsie Sioux
or is there some other plan
Siouxsie Sioux
gloat?
Siouxsie Sioux
so what is the sub going to do
n8 (n8)
but people are looking at my account right now, so it'll be an easy attractor
n8 (n8)
It'll be a quick type up, I should have left here like 10 min ago
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
Tell people to report any spin offs that pop up
n8 (n8)
roger that moving now
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
You've both got perms to do so
n8 (n8)
I think there were a few people who were only there for the modmails, though. I kinda wish anyone who didn't want to be associated with the sub would step down so we can avoid that issue.
n8 (n8)
@Merari I have to leave in a minute. do you want to take the sub public and do an "announcement"?
Siouxsie Sioux
hey now
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
2 down
ShaneH7646 (Shane Harvey)
@ShaneH7646 has joined the channel
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Ah. Thanks
Siouxsie Sioux
A toppish mod in whatcouldgowrong
Siouxsie Sioux
He's /u/terevos2
BelleAriel (BelleAriel)
Hiya terevos. Who are you on Reddit?
Merari (Merari)
Hello!
terevos (terevos)
Hey all
Siouxsie Sioux
Terevos is my friend from wcgw fyi
terevos (terevos)
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